Does Tannehill REALLY struggle with deep passes?

I meant who are theirs?

 

Luck does have better weapons. Until they lost Reggie, they had him and Hilton, both are outstanding playmakers. Coby Fleener is a nice offensive TE. His running game is more reliable than ours, to say the least.

His o-line is not great, but it is certainly better than ours.

He does not have the best set of weapons in the game, but they are better than ours, on each position.

 

Mike Sherman on the second to last play of the game (the deep ball to Wallace):

"It was a great pass."

 

Lol I don't think it's close, our weapons are far better without Reggie Wayne in their line up.

 

Thats even before taking into account defense.

 

I find it so funny that we could lose such a good slot receiver, have a good young #4 become a good #3, have the best deep threat in football, a good not great receiver opposite him in Hartline, and an emerging playmaker in Clay and people still question the weapons around Tannehill. The OL is atrocious blocking the run. Below average against the pass. And Donald Brown is not better then Lamar Miller.

 

Hence why Luck has struggled since Reggie's injury.

Each of their offensive units is better than ours. Receivers - Wayne, Hilton and Fleener > Wallace, Hartline and Clay. Their running game is more productive and reliable than ours. Their o-line while not being good, is better than ours.



I watch Luck quite a bit, I'm a big fan, however while he is certainly a vastly more polished Qb than Tannehill, and while he is by far a superior game manager and has greater pocket movement and awareness, Andrew Luck has noticeable accuracy issues on short and intermediate passes. Tannehill is a more accurate Qb than Luck, IMHO.

 

So the Colts are below average?

 

Got some news for you, if Luck was playing with Wallace, Wallace would probably have close to 1000 yards right now.

 

I would say with Reggie Wayne healthy the playmakers are a toss up, but with him out, I think our playmakers are better. But our line is much, much worse (at pass and run blocking IMO). I do think Luck is also a better QB than Tannehill though.

 

I doubt it. I don't see Wallace doing better than Hilton for them. Hilton has comparable speed to Wallace, while being just an overall better receiver.

 

I don't think it's a toss up. We have them beat with depth, that's for sure. With everyone healthy, we have 4 good WRs and 2 good TEs. However their best 2 WR are noticeably better than ours, specially in the playmaking department, and their top 2 TEs are young and athletic, Fleener is not even their best TE.

 

No, because Luck is the better QB and is better within the pocket he would have more time to get deep.

 

Overall, as a team? I'd say average to slightly above average.

 

Mike Sherman's comments are always interesting and telling.

Last week when asked to comment on the missed deep connection between Tannehill and Wallace, he attributed it simply to an underthrow. That told me that Tannehill is not necessarily being coached to improve the timing of that pass with Wallace, nor do the coaches seem inclined to improve the timing by other means such as removing play-fakes from the backfield timing on deep shots to Wallace, or adding more delays onto Wallace's route.

This week when asked to comment on that final deep throw, he attributed it simply as a "great throw". That tells me that the route Wallace ran did indeed have a vertical tag and that is why Tannehill didn't steer the ball further to the left. Many keep pointing out that steering the ball further to the left is exactly what Tannehill should have done so that Wallace would not have had to broken straight vertical and could have kept the ball on his left shoulder.

Maybe that is the case. I don't know. I think it's arguable that you don't want to risk the deep left zone defender getting back into the play since the ball is going to be in the air for a good 3 seconds. But if that is indeed what he should have done then you need to talk to Mike Sherman about it, not Ryan Tannehill.

 

Wait...what?

How can our weapons be on par with Indy's (and that's before you even factor in our defense) but Indy is slightly above average and we are:

Now I know you're going to try and Stringer your way out of this flagrant inconsistency, but I hope you'll do the right thing instead....

 

Better QB and better coaching.

 

I hoped in vain it seems.

The discussion was about surrounding talent. You agreed ours was on par, if not better than Indy's, but somehow we have average talent and they do not.

 

I was referring to them being above average overall. If you're just talking about surrounding cast, not QB or coaches, I think Miami is better. For all the praise Ryan Grigson gets, they've made some really bad moves IMO.