Does Tannehill REALLY struggle with deep passes?

cause tannehill.

 

He is a bastard.

 

Oh yes I forgot the new theme around here. Wallace' inability to track the ball in the air is Tannehill's fault.

I will say this though...through all the hurt feelings regarding the loss, you can see what's going to happen to allow this offense to take the next step. These deep passes to Wallace will become more frequent. Tannehill will be running a lot more. I saw more high percentage passes to the RBs as well as a shovel pass.

We must remember that Carolina is one of the best teams in the league and we can play them to a toss-up. Should bode well for the remainder of the season.

 

Criticism was to hit on some long throws , criticism was to move in the pocket , criticism was to take some yards with his feet... Did 17 do or improve somewhat in those areas? Is there a trend of improvement , as a second year QB? One that did not have alot of college starts?

Let's have similar improvement from weaknesses , GM , coaching , oline ...all down the line and see if the won loss record also improves.

 

i completely agree. These two connections were huge and the last two would have won the game. Sucks that it didn't happen but knowing that it CAN happen...should change things for this offense. Its a big huge step in the right direction for the two of them. Notice how they were all smiles and brotherly after the TD? Haven't seen that all season.

but digress, its all tannehills fault

 

To think he is playing at the level he is with an expansion level o-line, no running game and with his own inexperience is actually quite astonishing.

I think some of us need to step away from the ledge and look at the big picture.

 

Some of us have Some of us haven't.

 

Cam had a helluva game scrambling, a horrible game throwing the ball. You make it sound as though he played a lot better.

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He was barely better IMO.

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Truthfully I believe what happened is that Wallace ran a post route and Tannehill took so long on the throw that he thought the receivers should all "tag" their routes as if it were a scramble drill. The "tag" for Wallace's route is vertical so Tannehill threw the football vertically and expected Wallace to see the ball and adjust to it.

 

I think that when:

A) Tannehill throws an interception rolling to his right side because he didn't clear the passing lane and an underneath linebacker was able to get his hands on the football and tip it up, and

B) Tannehill rolled to his right and made an AWFUL decision to throw a beamer at Wallace deep that was converged on by two Panthers defenders, yet

C) We're sitting here spending all day talking about the fact that he was "only" 2 of 4 for 110 yards with a TD on super-deep (41+ yards beyond the LOS) pass attempts...

...then we're off on snipe hunts.

 

ill get back to you on that

 

I have 4.93 seconds until the ball is out of Tannehill's hands, using video software.

Here is where Wallace was on his route 4.93 seconds after the snap.



He had just made his break to the inside and up the field. Tannehill was expecting him to tag his route vertically where no other defender could get back into the picture. Had Tannehill thrown the ball farther to the left, the right corner playing a deep zone could have sank back and gotten into the play. That's why Tannehill throws this vertically at the LEFT hash mark. So yes, Tannehill did lead Mike Wallace. Wallace just didn't adjust to the ball. It would've been a tough adjustment, but that's what the big contract is for.

 

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Can't make it more clear than this. Tannehill led Wallace DEEP and to the LEFT on the play. Some have argued that if he had thrown it further to the LEFT then Wallace has an easier time adjusting to the ball. While that's undoubtedly true, the corner that was in deep zone coverage on the left side (from Tannehill's perspective) could have gotten into the play better if he'd thrown left. Tannehill threw the ball while about to be pummeled into the middle of the field where nobody but his receiver and the man trailing in coverage could have gotten back into the play.

 

The fact is that no matter if you blame Tannehill, Wallace, the running backs, the OL, or any of the other receivers, the Dolphins once again failed to score a TD in the fourth quarter for the sixth week in a row.

The defense also once again played well for much of the game, only to totally collapse late in the fourth quarter.

Instead of doing what good teams do, finding a way to win. This team too often finds ways to lose games and that is what the Dolphins have consistently been doing for the vast majority of the past decade. Whether the problem is the owner, GM, coaches, or players, I really don't care at this time. All I care about is that the problem gets fixed and that the years of mediocrity comes to an end ASAP.

The Patriots have remained a top tier team for more than a decade. The Jets and Bills were suppose to be on the decline and this was the year the Dolphins were suppose to challenge the Patriots for the division. Instead the Patriots once again are clearly the class of the AFC East and the Dolphins are battling the Jets and Bills to avoid finishing last in the division.

This is no longer acceptable for most Dolphin fans and it is time Ross does whatever is necessary to hire the best men available to turn this team around. It is obvious Ireland is not the right GM and Philbin consistently shows his inability to develop game plans which succeed for four quarters. While the Dolphins have some players with a high level of talent. The team just has too many players who are just mediocre players in the NFL.

 

IF he had led him to the left the S in the middle is no where to be found, and the LCB is backpedaling to try to catch up to the ball. I would've liked our chances.

While I didn't like his lack of anticipation yet again, it would've been a hard throw to make. But a lot easier than having to redirect your route and do a 360 to catch a football.

That would've been one of the greatest catches in dolphins history given the degree of difficulty. Neither Wallace nor Tanny made a good play in that spot.

 

Mike Wallace chose (wrongly) to look for the football over the wrong shoulder. That was his choice. When Ryan Tannehill threw the ball, Mike Wallace was running diagonally from right to left and was at the right hash mark, so Tannehill threw the ball to the left hash mark. It was WALLACE who chose to put his head down in order to run vertically, then come out of that looking over his wrong shoulder for the football.

 

He could have chose to not spin around in the manner he did and still gone from looking over his right shoulder to his left shoulder. That's assuming other aspects of the plays are not Wallace's fault. I do agree that it's difficult to make adjustments while backpedaling/spinning, but it wasn't absolutely necessary to do so IMO.

 

Wallace could've taken a better path I agree, but RT could've heaved it up in a better spot also IMO. It was a dual failure

 

Basically, Mike Wallace was going diagonal from right to left on his post route, saw the football go in the air and recognized Tannehill was throwing him deep and expecting him to tag vertically, and everything was happening exactly as it should have until Wallace chose to pop out of his vertical by looking over his right shoulder instead of his left shoulder. That was his choice and it ended up being the wrong choice.

 

If Wallace was playing for the Saints, Broncos or Patriots he's have double the stats and 10+ TD's. Enough Said.

 

Well coached teams that know how to properly use talent with first ballot HOF QB's (all 3 probably in the top 10 all-time)? Imagine that.

 

My point exactly... A first ballot HoF QB Tannehill is not.


Let the search for the true Marino successor continue.

 

Brees arguably wasn't even as good as Tannehill at this same point of their careers.

 

I don't think that point was arguable.

But then again, Drew Brees beginning of his career means nothing to Ryan's beginning. Compare Ryan with today's QBs.

 

You've come to this conclusion after 27 starts? Tannehill is the only reason we have any offense AT ALL

 

Peyton Manning didn't exactly set the world on fire after 27 starts, and neither did Tom Brady. Brady had "game manager" written all over him at the time.

The Marino expectations/comparisons need to stop. What he did his first 2 years in the league was unprecedented, and has yet to be repeated by anyone in the same time-frame.

 

Let's please not go that route. Brady made plays when it mattered, a lot even in those first 27 starts. Peyton was turnover prone but let's not get carried away. He had more TDs as a rookie then Ryan might get his first 2 seasons.

Ryan has the look of a game manager, who isn't very good at game managing. That's just what I'm seeing. I'm not going to sit here and say we don't give Ryan another year with a better offense around him to see, but let's not get carried away and act like Ryan is lighting the world on fire here.

 

What happened to $60M man? Inconsistancy is the hallmark of the Miami Dolphins

 

Well I don't agree his supporting cast is better first of all. Second of all, let's get more of a broad picture.

Ryan has 16 total TD and 20 total TOs.

Luck has 19 total TDs and 10 total TOs.

Please, Luck is by far the better QB at this point. And his cast isn't very good either.

 

I'm not the one who brought up the stupid-*** comparison. That was hazed. Peyton had 26 TDs as a rookie (very impressive), but Tanny has 27 now (nothing to jump up and down about, but nothing to jump off a bridge over either). Brady got Vinatieri into FG range against one of the worst coaching performances we've ever seen in a super bowl (screw you Mike Martz) and watched Drew Bledsoe beat Pitt in the AFC championship game. He had the marks of a nice player, but nothing like the player he has become. Remember they did miss the playoffs the next year.

I never claimed that Ryan is lighting the world on fire, but I don't think he's embarrassing himself either. I would love to see how good he could be if he had a running game and average o-line in front of him.

 

Peyton was pretty good in his 2nd year. Remember this was before Peyton cried about the Patriots too and had the 5 yard DB/WR rule enforced.

 

It could matter when trying to illustrate that since Ryan is not currently a HoF level QB then that mean he isn't the answer at qb. I'm not sure he is or isn't the answer (I hope he is), but I'm not knocking him because he isn't currently a 1st ballot HoFer or current top 5 QB.

 

Who are our playmakers?