Why Philbin will lose his job this season

When a team has extra time to prepare for a winless team and comes out and gets their asses handed to them in the first half, I'd look at coaching.

When a team comes out and is on the verge of blowing the Patriots out of their building, only to end up losing the game in miserable fashion I look at coaching.

The Buffalo loss was inexcusable, one of the worst I can remember.

This staff is overmatched.

 

Someone decides those players won't see saw , again is anything ever the GM's fault? If it happens intermittently that is one thing , repetitively is another . Yikes.

 

At least the time management is better than under Sparano?

 

My analysis of the team only begins there, whereas you suggest it should end there. It ends at the top with the GM who has consistently produced same results.

 

Keep Philbin! get rid of that turd Sherman, fix o-line and voila, possible success

 

More or less, now don't misunderstand, not favoring a Raiders like HC rotation, am saying there is entirely to much acceptance of both poor play, and losing, by the Dolphins leadership.

I watched Buono operate for 2-3 yrs, this stuff would not be tolerated.

That is what I base my pov on, to me there is no real standard to live up to in Miami ATM, and that is the root cause of a lot of the dummy stuff we are seeing out on the field.

THAT falls on Philbin's reluctance to make changes

 

Do know it makes -0- sense, not down on Dio at all more that the Staff just is very reluctant to make changes or to play guys unless they are 110% ready.

I think back to JT being owned by the Broncos as a young player vs the run, the next season he bounced back and was dominant vs the Broncos

The Lt situation tells me they really bought into JMartin being a passable LT, there was no alternative plan made if that did not happen.

 

Really, the stadium will be empty b/c of Ireland? I agree that Ross is about money but geez that's a huge stretch.

Ross was asked point blank before the season, will Ireland be fired if the team struggles or misses the playoffs. And what he said was (paraphrasing) that he wanted to take his time and build a team that could contend for several years, he wasn't going to sacrifice the long term plans for a quick fix. I'm a bit of a skeptic when I hear talk like that but it appears as though that's the plan Ireland is trying to implement. He let a lot of vets walk and replaced them with younger guys and draft picks. He could have had Albert but he didn't pull the trigger. He could have taken Lane Johnson to get an immediate fix at OT but he went after Jordan (knowing he was hurt) instead.

Is it that hard for you to believe that Ross has given Ireland-Philbin 3 years to build the best team they can and that he'll assess them at that point to decide if they should be retained? I think that's pretty standard practice, 3 years, is it not? It's not like the team is horrible and not even competing week to week. They're 4-5 with 4 of the 5 losses coming down to the final possession.

I don't think appeasing the fans will trump sticking to the plan on this one.

 

LOL what would you do if you were Coyle, play Jordan 50 snaps a game?

Dude has a bum shoulder, every one knows that. They want him to play but they don't want him getting pounded on, which is exactly what would happen if they put him out there in the base D. I assume the plan is to ease him through the year then let him have offseason surgery and/or rehab then bring him back full strength next year.

I don't really know why it's all that controversial.

 

Why would you put him on IR just for looks?

 

I'm curious, under what circumstances would you say the players are at fault?

For example, who's fault is it that Pouncey threw a haymaker right in front of the ref on 3rd and 1, or that Wheeler drew a critical PF15 late in the 4th? Why did no one lay a finger on Lavonte David before he blew up Daniel Thomas for the safety? Why did Tannehill throw the ball out of bounds when he had a wide open Wallace cruising down the sideline for an easy TD?

Maybe you need to watch the game again.

 

If you listen to Coyle's presser he explains it pretty well. They want to play him in passing situations and Tampa only passed 21 or 23 times. 20-25 snaps is reasonable IMO, he might have a chance to play more snaps if the base D stops the run a little better or if the offense puts some points on the board and gives the D a lead to work with.

It appears the staff is erring on the side of caution, another sign they're not worried about getting fired. Clearly they don't visit the forum very often or they'd know they were firmly on the hot seat.

 

They want him to get game experience, they want him at practice getting reps, honing his technique and learning the defense. If they place him on IR as a precaution he can't do any of that. If they play him too much and he's re-injured then it'd be even worse.

 

Good teams overcome all of that stuff.

Good teams overcome bad refereeing.
Good teams overcome stupid penalties
Good teams overcome a bad throw.

Funny thing is that we had no turnovers to overcome, and we still lost. We couldn't overcome a couple of 15 yard penalties and 1 bad throw against an 0-8 team. On 12 days rest. Basically coming off a bye week and with extra motivation to give a big **** you to the world for what they were put through.

If this game and the Buffalo game don't scream coaching, I'm not really sure what does

 

That doesn't make any sense what so ever. If his injury makes them not sure about him on running downs, however he is fine on passing downs, why put him on IR? Pass rushing specialists are not uncommon.

 

I don't think the prep time is the issue, it's the quality of the opponent. @NYJ and vs Seattle are "big" games. We tend to do well in those. But remember the Titans game from last year?

Same thing this year. We play Buffalo off a bye and come out flat, then we storm out of the gates vs New England, beat Cincy on a short week only to come out flat vs Tampa. Typical Dolphins, and this trend preceeds Philbin by the way. It goes all the way back to Sparano's days. Anyone who gambles will tell you to stay away from Miami any time they're favored.

 

A safety is a turnover w/ a 2 pt penalty added on top. A PF15 that turns 3rd and 1 into 3rd and 16 is a turnover. A PF15 on defense after a 3rd down stop is a turnover.

That's three TO's right there.

I think it has to do with motivation and at the professional level you expect players to be motivated by pride and money, not coaches.

 

It's funny that 3rd and 16 is not a turnover for the Bills, or the Ravens, or the Saints when they play us.

 

You're right, he could be injured on any play, including on ST.

But what's the alternative, shut him down? I'd hate to see that...

 

ZING!!!!

Good job. Now back to ignore for you .

 

Quite a bit has happened in the last 4 or 5 weeks, wouldn't you agree?

 

I don't think the quality of the staff has changed, I think the perception of the staff has changed.

 

That's your perception of it.

My perception is that if we were a good team, or if it were a good team playing Tampa Bay Monday night, then they don't get safetied, or when Wheeler's 15 yard penalty loses us a 2 minutes of clock and 30 yards of field position, it doesn't matter becasue they'll overcome that. They don't get sacked on consecutive plays on a do or die drive.

And most importantly, they don't dig themselves a 15 point hole managing to not cross their own 40 yard line until more than midway through the 2nd quarter. IIRC, that's true. We didn't cross our own 40 for the first 25 minutes of the game.

 

It is easy. Playing a running play and playing a passing play is completely different.

It is less contact, you said it right there.

 

Change for the sake of change would likely doom us to failure yet again. Any new regime may want to come in and gut the roster (QB included) and set us back another two years with no guarantee we are on the right course. But man would it feel good to have some change.

If you go back and listen to Ross from a few years ago, he believes greatly in stability and continuity. This may bode well for Ireland. Even if it doesn't, don't be surprised if Gaine just rolls into the top position.

This is a young 4-5 team that is maddeningly inconsistent but happens to be going through an unprecedented rough stretch. I think some peoples expectations were out of whack because of the money spent. But this team deliberately got younger for longer-term success.

This team needs to keep continuity with the skill players and bolster the o-line. I can live with another 7-9 season if we start to see an upward swing to 10-6 or better next year. Wouldn't it suck if we gutted the roster one year before sustained success would have begun?

 

Depends on your definition of good. IMO we are NOT a good team, not even close. But I do think we have the foundation in place to become a good team, a contender even, within a year or two.

 

Amen.

 

Hmm, here I disagree, I do believe we are a good team, we are a very inconsistent team.

I'm not a fan of Mike Sherman, think he is here to get Tannehill over his young Qb yips, think Coyle is decent enough, the league has caught up with some of the things he is doing, think Darren Rizzi's unit is disappointing the hell out of me.

Think Jim Turner should be run out of town on a rail ala Oh Brother, Where Art Thou.

Still, can see the talent, what is lacking is a sense of accountability, THAT has been missing for years and is what the Franchise is lacking tbh.

 

With respect , that logic could have you be a perennially losing team. Always hang on waiting for next year.

Oh wait , we are that perennially losing non playoff team.

 

i cannot express how much i agree with the OP. well said, sir....well said

 

well said

 

I just listened to the Coach Philbin Show. Joe said that Miami had more preparation snaps for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers than any team they've played this year, other than Cleveland (first game of the year). He said they thought their plan was very solid, and they just didn't execute.

That is so disturbing on so many levels. I think he's very clearly a captain that will go down with his ship. Sigh, Dolphins Football...

 

TBH, thought Coyle schemed for a Bucs team that would throw 40 passes, then couldn't adjust to their run heavy approach.

Philbin is very much a coach who "believes in my guys"

Will say, we beat SD and the Bills beat the Jest, things become interesting again.

 

Precisely why it's disturbing.