Miami Heat Road To The Lottery Thread

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  1. Frumundah Finnatic

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    I think we could land Diop, it would be a great pickup
     
  2. Big E

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    Someone who lives near King please go slap him silly. He's saying positive things about Kwame Brown. :pity:
     
  3. alen1

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    Former Davidson point guard Jason Richards has signed as a free agent with the Miami Heat and is expected to join the club's summer league team.
    Richards led the nation in assists during his senior season at Davidson, averaging eight per game, and is hoping to make the team as a third-string point guard.

    It is unclear who the Heat's starting point guard will be next season. They have extended a qualifying offer to Chris Quinn, will soon sign rookie Mario Chalmers, and have entertained trade offers for Marcus Banks.
    According to Heat president Pat Riley, "[Banks] is at the top of the depth chart, it's really sort of his job to lose." That is faint praise, however, since Banks is technically the only Heat point guard under contract. It's no secret that Miami wants to upgrade their PG, so don't be shocked if Riley makes a deal for someone with a proven track record.
    Source: Miami Herald

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  4. High Definition

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    What's the difference between Desagana Diop and Kwame Brown?

    We're looking for a cheap stop gap at the center position for a year or two. A guy who can play 15-20 minutes per game, as we have Mourning, Blount, and Anthony. All we really need at the position is a defensive minded player, and Kwame Brown isn't bad defensively.

    Diop would be my first option followed by Kwame Brown as my second.
     
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  5. alen1

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    Yeah the only problem with him is that he can't manage to stay on the court for those 20 minutes, he fouls out. I think Diop is a better defensive player.
     
  6. High Definition

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    I agree. Diop is a better option for the Heat, but Dallas has expressed interest in reacquiring him, so we'll have some competition there. I think we're looking for as cheap an option as possible unless a trade is made. It has to be a one or two year deal since Riley is targeting 2010.
     
  7. Section126

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    Kurt Thomas can rebound and play defense. he would be perfect for us. and cheap.
     
  8. High Definition

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    Did Golden State not pick up Patrick O'Bryant's option? I know a Warriors fan who says that Nelson hates POB, but he thinks he could be a 12/10 type of guy if coached right and given the minutes. I don't see why a 22-year old lottery pick two years ago isn't a great cheap option, even if Earl Barron has proved more than he has. :eek:
     
  9. Desides

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    So, Pat Riley said this would be one of the fastest rebuilding periods ever done. Was he right?
     
  10. High Definition

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    I don't even think we've reached 2nd base of the rebuilding stage yet.

    We've got two long-term pieces. Missing the third wheel + depth.
     
  11. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    It looks that way...If Beasley is as advertised.

    If he is as good as EVERYBODY says he is...we will be a #4 to #6 seed...and maybe win 1 series this year..then we have the big money to spend in 2009 and we become Championship contenders.

    rebuilding time: 2 offseasons. Pretty fast.

    last time it took him 3 seasons.

    We went from garbage...to Butler...to Wade...to SHAQ and the EC finals. (3 years)
     
  12. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't Chalmers be that third wheel? I would hope so: the way Riley was sulking over missing out on Derrick Rose tells me he really wants a star at the position. But he wanted Bosh over Wade, so...

    Boozer, Brand, or Bosh?
     
  13. Section126

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    There ya have it.
     
  14. Ludacris

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    Getting Diop would make the Heat off-season complete for me. I would like the Heat get Posey back as well but i'm not sure if Posey with return to Miami after being let go and winning a Championship.
     
  15. Desides

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    I hope Riley doesn't try for Brand again. I think it's time to give up on the possibility of him being in a Heat uniform. The money should go to Bosh or Boozer.
     
  16. alen1

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    Soon they may not have a shot at him at all. There are reports that the Clippers and Brand are working on a long-term deal.
     
  17. alen1

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  18. High Definition

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    Sign and trade target: Andris Biedrins. Nothing more than a possibility, but there will be discussions. All I can say is that there will be talks, and there has been brief talks already. My source is somewhat trustworthy. He did say that Beasley would be Miami's pick and Riley would immediately turn the phones off. Hmmm...
     
  19. alen1

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    Biedrins is a nice player. Good defensively and shoots a high percentage. Knows his limits. Only downside is his free throw shooting. I'm surprised that they are trying to move him. Do you know why? I know earlier you stated that they may not pick up POB's option.
     
  20. King Felix

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    his downside is his offense but with wade+beasley you dont need as much scoring from him
     
  21. Desides

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    I don't know why anyone would want to play for the Clippers (why does that team even exist?), and I don't know why Brand would re-sign with them when he clearly wanted to play for the Heat. Maybe he's just in it for the money at this point.
     
  22. Muck

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    Speaking of Chalmers, what exactly were the terms of that trade, and the Cavs trade?

    I missed specifics on both.
     
  23. FinNasty

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    From my understanding, we gave up 2 2nd rounders next year (we had 3 in that year) and some cash for Chalmers... and we got a 2009 2nd rounder from the Cavs in the other trade.


    Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  24. alen1

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    Lol yeah, they don't win much as we all know.

    Eh, I look at his FT to be the downside. I think he shot 52 percent last year. He shoots a high percentage on offense probably because of his close range baskets.
     
  25. phunwin

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    I would be stunned if Chalmers is that third wheel. To me, his upside is a poor (perhaps destitute) man's Sam Cassell: good shooter, best suited as a combo guard off the bench, who can dish and has the stones to take a big shot. I love him as a 7th or 8th man. As a starting guard? Not so much.

    Getting Diop would be a nice move for Miami, but if the long-term plan is to re-sign Wade and get Boozer or Bosh, a long-term contract for Diop might not help matters, especially with the fact that they'd have to start thinking about an extension for Beasley in a few years. They have the room to do all that, but they'd have to skimp on other positions if they want to stay under the luxury tax threshold.

    Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but it's almost always about the money.
     
  26. Vengeful Odin

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    I got the opportunity to watch Beasley and Chalmers more than most last year, and you guys are getting two really good players.

    Beasley is as good as advertised, he has incredible range, the only drawback that I can see is that he wasn't as tall as he was listed. He's active on the inside and underrated as a rebounder.

    In Chalmers you're getting a proven leader who should be able to stabilize the point position and create opportunities for Dwane Wade via dribble penetration. The only flaw to his game is that his jumpshot comes and goes - he doesn't always shoot that great from long range.

    Good picks, either way. You guys should be excited.
     
  27. High Definition

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    I don't even think Chalmers has a chance to be more than a role player/complimentary guy, but that's what he was drafted for. Solid shooter with impressive range who defends very well and doesn't turn the ball over. I'd probably call him a cross between Daniel Gibson and Kyle Lowry.

    With the trade assets we've got right now as well as future cap space, the third wheel should be an All-Star caliber player. He'll come in via trade, 2009, or 2010 free agency.

    Bosh doesn't hit the market until 2010, unfortunately.

    I think we have a realistic shot at landing Bosh or Amare in 2010, with LeBron stealing the focus.
     
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  28. High Definition

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    I think "Bosh, Amare, Okafor" is more realistic. I don't see the Elton Brand or Carlos Boozer fit with Beasley in play. Actually, come to think of it, if Riley wants to spend the loot in 2009 instead of 2010, Okafor (unrestricted if he doesn't ink a long-term deal by then) would be a perfect fit and compliment for the Wade & Beasley core. The guy is a great defender and does everything Beasley doesn't do. We can probably sign another player along with him as well. I don't think Okafor lands more than $10-12 million per.

    Louis Williams + Emeka Okafor in 2009 = happy King. :D
     
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  29. Ludacris

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    Bosh would be a dream. But if he is not avaiable until 2010 like KiNG said we will need a stop gap for a couple of years. So perhaps a skimpy option would be Kwame Brown.
     
  30. Ludacris

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    That would be awesome...Okafor rocks on defense.
     
  31. High Definition

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    2008: Draft Michael Beasley & Mario Chalmers. Split mid-level between Mickael Pietrus (3-year deal w/ player option for third) and Kwame Brown (2-year deal w/ team option for second).

    G – Marcus Banks/Mario Chalmers/Chris Quinn
    G – Dwyane Wade/Daequan Cook
    F – Shawn Marion/Mickael Pietrus/Dorell Wright
    F – Michael Beasley/Udonis Haslem/Stephane Lasme
    C – Kwame Brown/Alonzo Mourning/Mark Blount/Joel Anthony

    2009: Later Kwame, you douche. Draft choice goes to Minnesota in disastrous Ricky Davis trade. Shawn Marion’s $17.2 million expires; Sign Emeka Okafor to a deal starting at $10-12 million per. Sign Louis Williams to a deal starting at $5-8 million per (could breakout this year).

    G – Louis Williams/Mario Chalmers/Marcus Banks/Chris Quinn
    G – Dwyane Wade/Daequan Cook
    F – Mickael Pietrus/Dorell Wright/Stephane Lasme
    F – Michael Beasley/Udonis Haslem
    C – Emeka Okafor/Mark Blount/Joel Anthony

    Fill in the final spot with a veteran looking for the chance to win a title.

    That's a very deep basketball team with at least 8 capable starters.
     
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    I love ya KING..but that Team SUCKS. That is a team doomed to the perenial 3 seed....ECF loser. That team has ZERO perimeter shooting. and the bench is horrid.
     
  33. High Definition

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    Mario Chalmers? Mickael Pietrus? Daequan Cook? Three solid three point shooters on that team. And assuming Chalmers is a good pro, you tackle him along with Udonis Haslem, Dorell Wright, and a developed Daequan Cook........I don't know how that bench sucks. You can probably land a P.J. Brown or Kurt Thomas type for the vet minimum to give you some size - not exactly those players, but someone who fits into that mold.

    The core of Wade, Beasley, and Okafor is awesome, and Williams is going to be a very good pro.
     
  34. High Definition

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    I think Louis Williams is good enough to start on a contender in 2008 as a matter of fact.
     
  35. alen1

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    I agree. He's a good player.
     
  36. High Definition

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    Emeka Okafor is probably the perfect compliment for a Wade/Beasley core. 14/11 hitting 54% of his shots and he'll give you 2-3 blocks per game. If Beasley is going to play PF, then the center has to be a solid defender/shot blocker.

    Don't get me wrong - my #1 wish is to land Bosh or Amare in 2010. However, if that doesn't happen, then we're pretty screwed. That's pretty much setting yourself up for disaster. Andris Biedrins is another great option in 2009 if he doesn't sign long-term this summer. Maybe even a better option than Okafor, but I think he gets his cash.
     
  37. Section126

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    I don't know King..that team has NO ball handlers at the #3 spot..and the bench is replete with known turnover babies.

    there is not one guy that can swing from the #2 and #3 spot, and that team looks like it would put alot of pressure on Wade to handle the ball in the 4th quarter.
     
  38. High Definition

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    I am banking on Mario Chalmers becoming a solid rotation player. Williams and Chalmers would be able to handle the PG duties extremely well. Mickael Pietrus is a swing man; he can play the 2 and 3. He's also a fantastic defender, his corner triple is deadly, and he's freakishly athletic. That team would be athletic from 1 - 5 and can play the half court set, or run at any period of time during the game.

    I don't see how Okafor/Williams is a bad option in 2009. That would sure up PG and C.

    EDIT: I'm also banking on Daequan Cook becoming a hell of a three point threat.
     
  39. Desides

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    Then why are we excited about him? We need a starting point guard, not depth. Marcus Banks is depth.
     
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