Who takes the hit???.Philbin or Leadership on team???

He may need to know, but his veteran players let him down. The patrol fell asleep at the post on this one.

 

A lot of this crap could have happened outside the locker room, I've had staff having an affair with another staff members wife, how are you suppose to know unless you are told, so if Martin never lodged a complaint Philbin can't be held responsible.

 

Holy **** that is superb use of the English language.
Point well made.

 

That does not have to be a either or answer does it, because I believe all are hurt in some way. Locker room leadership for allowing it to go public and coaches for not getting a reliable system in place to know what players are going through. Multiple losers in this.

 

Did they release more evidence than the 6 month old voicemail that I don't know about?

 

Why Ireland Won't Survive This.

Originally a post on the Miami Dolphins Forum. Don't know who or why it was moved to the Soapbox. This is totally on topic. Maybe Miami Dolphins Apologists don't like what I have to say.

After listening to an entire day of coverage regarding this topic I am stunned by the reactions of Dolphins fans that do not see this as anything other than a huge black eye on the franchise brought upon itself entirely from within.

As Dolphins apologists scramble to blame Jonathan Martin for not being tough enough or trying to claim that this entire thing was brought on because this is some sort of media witch hunt they forget to acknowledge that this is a problem that has come from a clear lack of leadership in this entire program.

Let's start with the famed Miami Dolphins Leadership Council. Not even the upcoming mid term elections in which Republicans seem to be swimming so strongly upstream is there going to be anywhere near the turnover the Dolphins forced upon its leadership council. The entire council from last year was replaced. That almost inherently signals that level of leadership isn't what you'd hope for. Now consider that a player who has certainly led a very controversial life in the NFL is one of the players elected to that leadership council. I'll admit that even I have found Richie to be very likable while with the Dolphins but he is by no means someone that has ever emanated the integrity level that you'd want leading your team and representing your franchise.

Jeff Ireland, who already brought the negative spotlight onto the franchise in the Dez Bryant interview fiasco, has had a very bad run of drafts. People all over the Fins fanscape are eager to proclaim that Martin was way too soft for the job, that he was mentally weak, that perhaps he didn't even have the desire to be an NFL football player. Well, the man who drafted him is Jeff Ireland. For all the in depth probing he was willing to do on Dez he seems to have missed the armchair psychiatrist diagnosis on Martin. Now there is a very good chance that besides presiding over one of the more embarrassing moments in Dolphins history with this situation he may have also lost last year's second round pick to the bust pile.

Embarrassment coupled with failed job decision after failed job decision is a recipe for termination. Philbin, while seemingly a good guy, has yet to do much in terms of improving the performance of this team in any meaningful way. If Ireland loses his job whatever new GM comes in here isn't going to be compelled to keep Philbin based on his production thus far and whether it is fair or not, he was the captain of this ship. It's his responsibility to have an open communication and pick up the vibes from his position coaches about what is happening at every level of his team and address it. He, along with the entire organization, became a reactionary in this entire circumstance.

The lack of leadership through the roster, coaching staff and front office has brought the Dolphins to this place. It's a damn shame and an embarrassment. And for that people should rightly be held accountable.

As for the undertones of homophobia and racism that have sprinkled throughout this forum over the past two days, those of you who know you are, you should be ashamed. It's an utter disgrace that people can't have conversations on a forum like this without that seeping through.

 

Did he call Jeff Ireland's mom a prostitute?

 

My issue is more with the end result here.

Bottom line is, whoever you believe, Ireland made yet another error in evaluation. Either he signed and brough on board a borderline racist who was browbeating and extorting a sensitive and susceptible teammate or he drafted with the SECOND ROUND selection a player who was so mentally weak that he couldn't stand up to traditional locker room ribbing and teasing.

Either way, it would seem that this offensive line is now going to be forced to select at least three if not four new offensive linemen to repair what is a glaring weakness on this squad moving to next year because of this most recent Ireland misstep.

That's my issue. The team spends and spends, both picks and money, and yet every single year it's constantly plugging holes as opposed to building on a foundation.

 

I'm totally impressed.

Ireland is the first GM to manage to waste two players with one draft pick.

 

I'm less optimistic about the talent level on this team than you are. Nine and Seven may be a winning record but look at the plus minus point differential for this team. through the first half of the season the team has been outscored by over two touchdowns. No remotely good team in the league has a minus point differential at this point in the season.

It's not a dominant pass rush. Not a dominant scoring defense. It's a bottom third offense in all aspects. There has been precious little to indicate that this is a team that is any better than the team it fielded last year.

 

This is the only silver lining here, we rid ourselves of Jeff Mediocreland.

 

nope..... but how can we make this about Ireland ? We hate that guy !

and maybe the lousy fans that will inevitably complain about the next guy enough to make us sick !

Maybe take some time to observe one of the other 31 teams ! They use their cap space and picks in the same manner. I see a foundation, the defense he built from scratch over the last handful of years, Pouncey, Tannehill etc on offense. Most continuity and personnel success we've had since Shula left.

 

I think that to claim that people are "making this about Ireland" as something other than what should be done is absolutely erroneous.

It doesn't matter what line of work or industry, if someone is placed in a position of authority, and in that position they have limited means with which to make improvements then the way that person chooses to dispense of those means is of utmost importance.

The issue here isn't pointing the finger and blaming Martin for being someone who was too sensitive or couldn't hack it. The issue here is Ireland had the chance to vet Martin before making a sizeable investment of his limited means in Martin as a player and a man and he absolutely blew that investment.

For that should he not be criticized? Should he not be docked on his performance for wasting his second most valuable draft selection a year ago be the selection of a player that has now torpedoed his team?

 

Why do you pretend that this is the second year of the rebuild? How long does Ireland have to be in his position before his actual decisions should be evaluated?

He has built a team of medicore results. Regardless of where he finds the players, there are very few game changing players on this team. Has he built a decent foundation? Sure. But how many more offseason acquisitions and draft picks do you have to see him make that don't become IMPACT players before your willing to assess that he doesn't seem to have an eye for game changing talent?

Even the best players on this team are not game breakers. They broke the bank to try and sign one this offseason and he has been an all time bust through eight games.

 

This part is a joke right?

Players he had a part in either drafting for or trading at a high value that are no longer with the team.. Marshall, Vontae, Sean Smith, Jake Long, Dansby, Reggie Bush, now Richie, Now Martin... just to name a few.

This team has had nothing but turnover over the past couple of seasons. Yes there are a few holdovers in players like Starks and Soliai and Wake but to think that this team has been a model of consistency in terms of roster composition.. I mean that's a stretch.

As for watching the other 31 teams in the league I do. And few of them have been as irrelevant throughout the Ireland regime as the DOlphins.

I am not saying if I am for or against an Ireland firing right now. But what I will say is that to disregard criticism of him as unfounded is absurd.

 

Why do you pretend that there wasn't a complete philosophy change in the middle of all this? Players that work for Parcells system don't necessarily work for P{hilbin's system.

 

I absolutely acknowledge there has been a change and i understand that lends to the benefit of the doubt being extended to Ireland that otherwise wouldn't be. However, if you go by just the last three drafts including this year's there is plenty of evidence that this team has yet to make any marked improvement.

It could be personnel, it could be coaching, it could be culture, it could be alot of things... all of which fall under the purview of General Manager. and this team continues to tread water at mediocre.

 

In my opinion, the head coach of an NFL team must be held accountable for the actions of his staff when it relates to matters that directly impact the quality of football produced by the team, which is exactly what has happened in the case of Incognito and Martin. There was an obvious, serious issue that was not addressed appropriately which probably led to poor play initially, and has resulted in the loss of two starters.

Its completely foolish to think a problem like this could develop over the course of several months without a single staff member noticing, especially when it was so public between the two of them. Therefore, I think they knew about it and simply ignored it, and as I feel this is absolutely not a healthy way to build a team it is fairly obvious to me that Philbin should be fired along with the rest of the coaching staff.

 

Considering we're halfway through a season where we are 4-4, in the playoff hunt and have beaten some good teams, I think you're jumping the gun.

 

Obviously the season must play out.. in my humble opinion I think this team has major deficiencies and it isn't good enough to compete at anywhere near a consistently high level. Are they in the hunt? Sure. But they're passing tired horses. Look at the point differential. Look at the offensive and defensive rankings. The Dolphins to this point of the season have been the very definition of mediocre at best.

Half a season to go. Tampa and San Diego coming up are certainly more than beatable. We will see how it plays out.

 

Happened to Joe Paterno

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As reported elsewhere coaches are involved:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/s...-dolphins-coaches-told-richie-incognit/nbjkW/

This reeks of Turner and Sherman, heads should and will roll.

Shades of last years Saints all over again. The only question here is just how far will Ross and the Commish go to protect the club and the Shield? Philbin suspended or fired?