Has Ted Ginn lived up to your expectations?

Unless he ends up being the next Steve Smith he'll never live up to my expectations. Can't believe how we used a 9th overall for him and the reasoning Cam had behind it.

 

I would give GINN a B-

He did have a few kickoffs called back, but I thought he did the best he could with what he had to work with.

 

You mean the guy who had 10 catches for 154 yards his first year. Man some of you folk are way to easy to point out just how off your expectations are.

 

Between the people claiming Ginn and Beck are busts I'm just glad they didn't jump ship too soon on Ronnie and crucify him. Oh wait...

 

to me he looks slower than when he was in college. he gets tackled by the first guy to lay a finger on him, and he doesn't have lateral quickness, the only way he is going to make a big play is if he gets in a foot race going straight forward, i don't think there is anyone who will catch him when he runs a straight line, but i think he will become a good, not great receiver. was he worth the #9 overall pick ?. hmmmm.. i think i would have went in another direction.

 

He's not slower, everyone is just faster! Yet there were several times I saw him beat double coverage only to be over thrown.

 

It is pretty hard to make plays when nobody is getting the ball to you. He needs to have more playcalls his way. Its always to Marty and Hagan. When Ginn gets the ball he makes a good play. His only reception against Baltimore was a short pass and he ran for the first. We need to see more of those calls like the bills game where he got like a 50 yd catch. It all comes down to the inconsistency of the quarterback. They all have their favorites. Green liked Chambers, Lemon likes Booker, and Beck likes Ginn. Hopefully next year Beck starts and can spread the rock around.

 

I never expected much from him in the first place so I'm not disappointed. I am thrilled the two clowns who drafted him are on the hot seat now and you are kidding yourself if you think the draft isn't part of the reason why.

 

I had Marty on my fantasy team and I can assure he he wasn't getting any balls his way.

 

I think that the main oversight here is the fact that Ginn was not getting many reps at wide receiver early in the season. If you take his numbers from the point at which Chambers was traded, then project them over a 16 game season, you will have a much more flattering (and realistic) perspective.

Also, it is clear that Ginn has game breaking speed and much better hands than what was expected. That's a really good sign, because when you combine speed with hands, you've got a solid wide receiver on your hands.

Here's my parting point. If you had posted this thread in years 1 or 2 of Braylon Edward's career, you would have come to the same conclusion. It took him three years to realize his potential (and he was a top 5 pick). Why is it so difficult for you to afford Ginn the same learning curve?

 

He has exceeded my expectations for him. But only because I had zero (and I do mean zero) expectations of him. I was extremely disappointed that we drafted him in the first place. Especially since we could have gone a myriad of directions with a pick that high, and on a team this bad with so many holes to fill.

 

I think he had a good year for a rookie and considering how bad our special teams are. I didn't like the pick at first, but he may prove a lot of us wrong. He may be the next Marvin Harrison.

 

He hasn't lived up to my expectations as far as production goes. Dwayne Bowe, Calvin Johnson, and James Jones put up better numbers. As rookies.

But Ginn's toughness, blocking ability, route running, and hands have been a nice surprise.

For all intents and purposes, he returned 3 kicks for TDs. That's pretty good. But Figurs, Allison, Breaston, Cribbs, Hobbs, and Burleson all seem to be just as capable. None of them were 1st round draft picks. Even Devin Hester was a 2nd rounder.

From that perspective you have to be a little disappointed, not in Ginn, but in the fact that we could have gone in a different direction with the #9 pick. Unless, of course, Ginn becomes a big time WR in this league.

However, most WRs don't reach their full potential unitl year 3. So Ginn can't properly be evaluated until after his 3rd season.

 

the 'rookie' excuse is tired, overused, and BS in my opinion

i'm not happy with ginn

im not happy with anyone on this team. we are terrible.

you surround a WR with terrible talent and he is not going to perform. sorry, but the WR position relies on so many other positions. look at Randy Moss with the raiders

i dotn blame ginn for anythign. i blame whomever decided on the pick. you do not draft a WR in the top-ten when you have so many more holes to fill before you can even think of having a successful WR

 

i'am really suprised at all the positivity on this thread, nice to see.

However i cannot tell a lie, i was one of his biggest supporters coming out of the draft and i have been extremely dissapointed.

as a returner, he does'nt look like the same player,whether thats nfl speed catching up to him i just don't know, i just know that i have never seen such a discrepency in explosiveness and production from college to pro's. i've never been more wrong on a player then i was on ginn, the guy cannot move laterally, cannot create on his own and is very weak, this boy needs an offseason like no other, he needs 15 lbs of muscle on that frame and then i can take him seriously as a returner.

I think he will turn out to be pretty good,just NOT like i expected

 

You guys are all too harsh on Ginn for no reason. Boo who we picked a playmaker with the 9th overall pick, fine its not who you wanted but please get over yourself. The fact that he has one td on special teams is amazing in itself considering how bad our special team is ( with the exception of feely, I think our special teams is the weakest unit no matter how bad our defense or offense is). As for expectations of Ginn, i could not be more happier as he has gone above and beyond what i expected. When we first picked him all the experts said how he is very raw at receiver and prolly won't play wr until next year if at all on the next two years. He came in though and didnt really play much the first couple of games but he got his chance and I think he's the most consistent receiver in terms of actually catching the ball. He's got what like 20 something catches for like 350 yards or so, not to mention the inconsistant qb play, mediocore line play, no other receivers or tight end and the fact that our biggest threat to spread out the field was hurt for most of the year. Theres been atleast 4-5 times where Ginn had about 5 yards if not more of separation and the Qb has over or under threw him. Also we havent used him enough like we should which is lining hin in the slot like camarillo and throwing that pass or lining him up in a screen or fast pass when the db is off of him and letting him make a play. Hes going to be a top 5 receiver in 3 years.

 

He has FAR exceeded my expectations. He has done good on the return game and has done as good as you can expect for a rookie WR. Remember that it took Braylon Edwards two complete seasons before getting it. Guys like Colston are rarities. I think that he will continue to improve next year, and be a Pro Bowler the year after.

 

He's about what I expected from him.

Give him a QB who can throw and an O-Line that can give the QB decent time to throw and he'll put up insane numbers. By my reckoning there are about 4-6 TDs that we've missed because the QB wasn't able to get him the ball after he had gotten clear.

I've been genuinely impressed by his speed. An awful lot of college players with reputations as speed demons get caught from behind in the NFL.

 

Worst post of the day!

Before you get mad, let me explain:

You say the rookie "excuse" is BS, yet you can't and didn't back it up, at all. That is actually BS.

Then you say you're not happy with Ginn, but then say a Wr needs a good team around him, for him to be good.

That is why this is worst post of the day.

 

Wasn't Ginn still recovering from the knee injury when he came into the league? I think the rumor was he was o.k. by the start of the season, but maybe he wasn't even 100%.
It takes time for any rookie to get in sync with a quarterback, or maybe the other way around, and how many quarterbacks has he had to try to get in sync with already? That makes for a rough rookie year for anybody.
All will be well in '08, I'm not dissapointed in him.

 

To answer the topic's question; No, he hasn't.

 

He has been fairly productive for us, our special teams as a whole has been poor, Ginn can't improve them that much on his own. He has been a good deep threat for us and I saw signs of Beck developing a chemistry with him which is encouraging. I have not been disappointed with the guy.

 

i can back it up easily. there are rookie WR who do great every year. that is fact.

 

I don't believe AT THIS MOMENT in time he's worth the #9 overall pick.

He has lived up far past my expectations tho for this being his first season. Everyone talked about how he wasn't going to run routes well and how he'd have trouble getting off the line, I haven't seen either of these being a factor.

I recall the first few games he didn't even get a chance to make plays. Hell, it wasn't until after Chambers left that he even got looked at by any of our quarterbacks.

When Beck came in we saw exactly what Ginn could do. I was at the game and saw first hand what kind of impact Ginn had on this offense. After his first two or three catches he started getting double teamed which opened up the passing game for the rest of our guys.

On special teams the guy has done exactly what we thought he would. Against Philly he broke one for a touchdown and almost broke another but unfortunately the refs said he stepped out. We all saw the other two returns he had which were very questionable calls by the men in stripes.

All in all, I'd give him a B. He's shown more than I could've hoped for and seems like he can be our number 1 receiver for years to come.

 

We havent had a special teams TD in like seven years i think.
He should of had three.
And i know, shoulda coulda woulda, BUT.
We've all seen it. So we know he can do it.
He can only do better.
Personally, i expected to get around 4 ST tds.
He has three (well, one, but still)
As a reciever, he has decent hands.

 

Ok, who and what do you consider great? Without this info, you haven't "proved" anything.

 

I think what the question should be is "Are we a better team with Ted Ginn than without him?" I think the answer is yes. Will he ever be dominant? Maybe not, but I for one enjoy watching him play, and you can be sure the defense is looking for him.

 

WR with 700+ yds OR 7+ TDs as a rookie

 

so all you look for out of a top-ten pick is that he improves the team?

 

Soooo, who has/is doing that, in the past say, 5 years?

 

Don't get on me buddy, I just posted something which I believe to be insightful and intelligent.
The fact that you are labelling a kid that has played fairly well a bust already shows that you know very little about football. It is a given that most rookie wide recievers take three seasons to adjust to the NFL, the fact that Ted Ginn has shown such capability thus far as well as providing a spark to a dreadful special teams unit should have every Dolphins fan rejoicing.
It is fine to have your opinions, but back them up with something insightful rather than continually saying "well he isn't Dwayne Bowe or Marques Colston". We are all well aware of that fact.

Ted Ginn is what he is, a weapon that few NFL teams possess, and all signs indicate that he will blossom into a player that most other teams will envy.

 

Or people, unlike yourself, have realistic expectations. That begins without judging too harshly a first year WR. Could he have been better? Sure. Could have been worse? Oh yeah. Time will tell. Were you one that felt Ronnie was a bust?

 

To me, where a guy is drafted does not matter once he is on the team. Too many people try to compare this 11th pick with another 11th pick.

Who cares? All that matters is the whole draft and what those players do for you. Their first contract is the only time where they were drafted matters.

Considering that Ginn came here with his foot in a boot and we have had poor QB play, he has done fine.

Ask me again in 3 years.

 

antonio bryant, keary colbert, fitzgerald, boldin, michael clayton, dwayne bowe, colston, lee evans, roy williams, andre johnson, calvin johnson (probably), anthony gonzalez (possibly)...thats just off the top of my head, i could go on

so please, you can use a lot of excuses as to why ginn has not been productive. but being a rookie is not one of them. plenty of WR do well their rookie year

 

ronnie brown actually produced decent numbers his rookie year

ted ginn has done NOTHING. he has 2 total TDs, and less than 400 yds receiving

 

having watched Ginn destroy my Wolverines the past 3 years, I'm a shocked with his inconsistency in the return game. Part of it is him, and part of it is probably our hideous ST play.

he's been more productive as a WR than I thought he'd be, but my real disappointment is the lack of creativity getting him the ball. Even when we do the reverse to him, we fake it so much it's not a surprise. Do what Tressell did to get him involved; bubble screens and quick slants, but instead we do that with Marty Booker.

I also think it's kind of hard to evaluate Ginn because our offense went in the toilet when Ronnie went down (though there has been some resurgence behind Gado)