Taking a Closer Look at 2nd & 8 versus Buffalo

Looking at that play from that angle Tannehill had room to move up in the pocket to extend the play feeling pressure from the outside. I realize that he only had a split second to react but its something he needs to improve on. Great write up,

 

I do not think it is cut and dry that Daniel Thomas would have gotten Tannehill hit.

I also do not understand your point with number 3.

If the pass was to throw a floater to Clay than that play could have been successful for a huge gain even with Clabo's terrible, terrble blocking on that play.

 

In your opinion WHY is there issues? Here is my chicken or the egg question.......

Is it lack of talent causing the staff to coach differently?

or....

Is the staff not utilizing the talent on the field to the best of their ability?

I struggle with this question alot, mostly Sundays around 4:05PM, because IMO there is lots of talent on this team.....but they look so bad at times....

Just confused this year all around for me, didn't expect this.....

 

I think for point #3 if it is a decision by Tannehill, I can see him seeing how it failed during the first time, and then seeing it a second, making the decision to check into a pass a second time.

 

Thomas is shoved into Ryan before Ryan has even brought his windup, up.

 

Its funny nobody or I missed it mentioned thomas on that play.The linebacker picked him off the ground and carried him to tannehill.It goes to show you how much of a non physical player thomas really is.That was sad.

 

Looks like he is winding up in the pictures. Which is why it is a fumble.

 

I don't see Philbin firing his close friend and mentor.

 

That's what I mean. He's getting into his windup and Thomas is shoved into him a split second right after Williams gets to him.

 

In that split second the ball could be gone. I just don't agree that it is cut and dry that it would have been a hit that would have effected the throw. It would have been a hit, that is for sure.

 

If he isn't willing to do it, then we have the wrong head coach.

I wouldn't be adverse to Joe taking more control of the offense and hiring a strong quarterbacks coach to be his offensive coordinator in title.

 

My question is why is the check play to a pass with 8 defenders in the box a play that requires the WRs to run 10 yards down the sideline and then break

Why isn't either Wallace or Hartline running a slant?

Or, why does Ryan first look at Hartline and not Clay? Clay will either be open quickly or not. Hartline or Wallace need about 2-2.5 seconds anyway

 

Thomas is already on Tannehill's left shoulder while Tanny's arm is still low. If you think Tanny could still have gotten a pass off ... ok I'm not going to try and change your mind.

 

Former NFL scout and current NFL insider Louis Riddick just did a mini breakdown of Tannehill's play against the Bills on twitter and he didn't like what he saw from him. Called him robotic and unable to come off and find second and third options.

 

Comfortability. As Philbin said they were comfortable with executing this play.

 

My followup would be why doesn't Philbin do what I want him to do?

 

MrClean and I were discussing that after the Saints game.

I agree that I'd like to see Joe Philbin take a more hands-on approach to the offense, if not call the plays outright like Sean Payton and defer to a defensive mind to run that side of the ball. Preferably someone better than Kevin Coyle, that is.

 

You are too feeble minded to understand Philbin's offensive genius.

 

I must give this the thread the.....

 

If you watch Gruden's QB Camp with Tannehill, they pretty much tell you the deep and intermediate outside breaking comeback is a staple of Sherman's offense. Tannehill is money on routes that follow the concept and he loves it. I'm beginning to think it's the only route in the playbook with everything else being just get open. It's an incredibly difficult route to cover and it gives the QB the luxury to throw it low and away for an incompletion if things break down. The only issue is, in the NFL, if they know what's coming, these world class athletes can stop it.

 

In Green Bay, Philbin was involved with creating the concepts, teaching them to the players, and preparing them for the defense while McCarthy called the plays. His track record as an NFL play caller is scant and his open support for these play calls is either coachspeak, friendship with Sherman, or really scary relative to the prospect of Philbin calling plays.

 

Good insight. That makes sense to a degree

Should we assume that Sherman figures that since they are keeping in 7 blockers there is no need for the WRs to run a hot route or "just get open route?"

I really don't know why he didn't throw it to Clay and or/seemingly not look at him

 

I have started to lose a LOT of respect for Philibin.

He is defending poor play calls to the extent that it is not only costing us games but also potentially costing him his job soon.
And I can't blame him because thats what happens when you bring friends into a business to partner up, especially a business that has so much turnover. You go in together, and out of respect back one another until you both get fired. Unless you are Fireland that is, he is untouchable, Mr. Teflon.

 

1. He determined Hartline would be open. Not sure he had time to look left then move to Clay, then move back to Hartline if Clay weren't open.

1a. Not sure he has a reason to even look elsewhere if he determined Hartline would be open.

2. Maybe he thought he didn't have time to move to Clay (or anyone else) and get a pass off even if he determined Hartline was not going to be open. If Hartline was covered, he may have just thrown it away (or ate it or whatever).

 

Thomas pass blocking was wrong technically in every way. Balance, position, feet and stance. He's 233lbs. Does he bench press in the weight room? I think his mind set needs sorting out. No way should he got shoved back like that. His whole technique was wrong from the snap.

 

I'll try to answer both here.

I suppose I'm lacking some understanding here. Seems to me that with 8 in the box, the pass you would most likely be checking into would involve some sort of a quicker look, not an intermediate comeback. I suppose you could use Clay's route there for that, but I think Clay would be your first look. Doesn't seem like he did. It is a dangerous throw because of the safety if you don't get it off quickly I agree. IMO, Clay should be the first read.

I buy the idea that he trusts Hartline and that may be more important than anything else.

I don't want to tear this play apart because of watching a gif in hindsight 20 times, but the predictability of the routes and what the QB is going to do kinda bothers me

 

I meant to note his relationship with Hartline but completely spaced on it. Combining the offense's favorite route with the most reliable receiver is a recipe for a throw to Hartline.

 

Re: Taking a Closer Look at 2nd & 8 versus Buffalo

If we were looking to throw during that drive...why wouldnt we do more bunch formations and stacking of the recievers?
Could the lack of a time out to use..also be a large factor here, limiting us to running plays we run alot, rather then being able to have the time to set something else up?

CK..Could it be that having Sherman as his OC the first year was really good..but...its also possible isnt it..that both get to set in tendencies and being forced to think outside the box never happpens?
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I think he would've gotten hit, but I don't think it would've led to a fumble.

A sack would've been perfectly fine (clock runs, we can still run more clock, and punt to Thad Lewis). The fumble was the problem.

As Tannehill goes to throw, the ball is unprotected on the side Mario Williams came from. Tannehill needs to feel that pressure and simply fold up and protect the ball (and himself for that matter). Especially in that situation - small, late lead on a team running a makeshift offense with a backup QB. Ball security should be everyone's #1 priority at that stage in this particular game - no turnovers.

 

Facing 8 in the box i know you have to spread out the formation. Quick out routes beit flats, screens, 5yd routes or stop routes is prone to minimal yardage at best, at worst...we witnessed it. If a Defense throws 8 in the box then its countered by spreading the pass routes. Nobody will convince me with the weapons Tannehill has that Sherman is using the receiving Corp to its max efficiency. Hartline got over a 1000yds last season as our #1WR last season. By all intensive purposes with the signing of Wallace, Clay proving a weapon and Gibson being a 1st down machine then there is a problem with playcalling. Hartline has almost gone missing this season which isnt on #82.

 

Especially that quickly. When people say feel the pressure, it could be two things... peripheral vision - in which case he could and probably would have covered up the ball. Or two, an internal timer to say time to go and look around ... There was NO time for this, at least IMO.

 

you wouldnt know Hartline got over 1000yds last season as the #1 WR. Now he's #2 he's basically gone missing for all intensive purposes. Criminal.