Shocked after I went back and rewatched the Ravens game

I'm only trying to get my arms around what this theory is based on. Are the Philbin quotes you're talking about the ones where he talked about the 4th & 10 play?

 

He had more time in college and got away with throws on rollouts that he wouldn't get away with now. He seems consistently late on them and was last year.

The play in your video @ 6:40 is an ideal move by him at this level, imo. Only thing I will say is that he actually had some space to move around

 

Then this..

It sounds like elementary stuff in relation to any offense, I think it's obvious that Ryan is curbing his instincts to bail at all costs, throw in very minimal boot game and read option, do you feel as an offense, and as far as Tannehills skillset, do you think we're going in the right direction on both?

This is what Tannehill said about him throwing on the run..

" god blessed me with the talent to do it, I can do it from both sides, I feel really comfortable, and it's something I worked on all offseason"

 

It's up to him yes, there's an instinct to do it, but why can't this kid find that fine line? Or, are the coaches teaching where that fine line is well enough, giving him enough freedom, is it because the teachings are affecting compressing his instinct?, from a movement perspective,why do you think the offense were seeing today is a stark one from what he was doing in college?

Is the pocket system they way to go in today's modern NFL?

 

Do you mean the analysis about the time he's getting back there?

 

Wow, that's just sad.

 

This is my feeling as well. I don't disagree with DJ, I just wanted to know what his theory was based on.

Philbin's ideals are admirable. He just wants his QB to not get spooked by ghosts in the pocket and that's something everyone should want. He also wants scrambles that result from reading the coverage, like a 4th step in the read progression.

But ideals and reality don't necessarily meet all the time. Or sometimes the road to your ideal isn't the most direct route. For instance, you would think that by having a guy focus on staying in the pocket, you're honing his pocket senses. But perhaps you're really asking him to shut off his pocket senses, ignoring signals that tell him he needs to get out.

IMO, none of this would even really be a problem if the OL were even mediocre at pass protection. It's an issue only because Tannehill generally doesn't have time to get through his read progression.

 

Does anyone remember how Aaron Rodgers behaved in the pocket in his first and second year?

 

On the bench.

I kid, I kid.

 

I hate you.

 

Every few years we hear about the game changing and mobile qbs are the wave etc etc. but who are the top performers this year?

In SF Kaep was brought down to earth. They aren't even using his legs anymore. Maybe it's a mistake. Russell's team is doing well but it's not purely on his back.RG3 is unimpressive. Pocket QBs aren't going anywhere.

 

I get that. But coaching Tanny into being Drew Bledsoe isn't good either, esp. when he has the wheels

 

The game is changing. Just look at the QBs that are entering the league. Of the best QBs to enter the NFL in the past 5 years, how many haven't been mobile? Matthew Stafford is really the only decent one I can think of, and would anyone take Stafford over Kaepernick or Wilson or RG3?

 

I think Stafford is pretty mobile actually, he just doesn't run much. He isn't Kaepernick or Wilson et all, but he's hardly a statue.

 

I would rather have a QB that is athletic than an athletic QB.

 

I just disagree with the strict pocket philosophy, unless your Tom Brady or Peyton manning.

I believe Ryans highest ceiling is from the pocket, cause I don't think he's gonna ever be great at the escape, and I can respect the steps it takes to teach the guy to not hear whispers while going thru his progressions, at some point we need to set him free from that though, I'm pretty sure that has to be part of the teaching progression,and I'm not sure how much Ryan has in terms of instincts in that dept,but I am sure that his college tape shows that it's better than what he showing now, and I'm also pretty sure that's it's gone to an atrophy stage while he's learning part A....

This topic is a bit out of my schematic zone, but I swear I can beat a defense and win while moving the pocket from left to right (caveat being my Qb is outstanding at throwing to both sides, like really good), more than once a game, without getting my Qb hurt..I mean isn't the objective to get the defense to defend every blade of grass, and can't we do that with this particular Qb considering what he IS great at?

 

I don't think Kap will be brought down to earth, Russell Wilson pisses on the earth, Luck poops on it, those three at this point are not going anywhere and will take their teams deep in playoff runs consistently..their all three that good..

 

i think in most cases ryan isn't even at the top of his drop and he has pressure. don't know that i buy the pocket presence argument or manage the pocket argument.

 

I think something that has to be considered here is as CK has pointed out Thill is a top 3 QB in fastest plays, I think that is born out of necessity. in that sense the numbers would be scewed as his actual hits would be more catastrophic. It would be interesting how these same numbers compare to the top QBs with the lowest/quickest release time

 

Yeah only speaking for myself, but those 2 little words - the capitalized "AT ALL" made it hard for me to take the thread seriously.

 

Wilson is the only one of those guys I would take over Stafford.

 

Someone needs to create like a quick 3 second YouTube video of the little kid in the GEICO commercial explaining that if you're not reliable at football then you go "on the BENCH!!!"

 

Yes.

 

As of right now I would take Stafford over Kaepernick and RG3. They haven't really proved anything yet.

Russell Wilson is different though.

 

I appreciate your combining all those stats on one page to compare and it seems to me to paint a more accurate picture of things.
I am not trying to be picky here, but just want to point out what you are calling "pressures", PFF calls "hurries"
When they refer to "pressures" such as when compiling their Pass Blocking Efficiency % in their Signature Stats, it refers to combined sacks, hits, and hurries.

 

Compared to what he did last year, Kap is currently brought down to earth. His QB rating is 81.9. He's had two really bad performances passing this year, out of 5 games. Last year in 10 starts, he had no really bad games, and just one that could be called mediocre. His QB rating was about 99.

 

Ebb and flow of a year..has one slow receiver to throw to, he didn't regress, just adjusting to circumstances..

 

I love that guy, I mean if I was gay, I'd do him..

His intangibles are so real there tangible..

 

Kaep is missing some weapons but he looks like doo doo. Time will tell.

We saw it with Randal Cunningham. Then it changed again with Daunte Culpepper and Donovan McNabb and Michael Vick. And it's changing again today. Even though guys like Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning(s), Rodgers, Flaccos keep winning those darn super bowls.

Mobility helps, a la Rodgers and Steve Young. But I'll believe this new breed of QB is taking the NFL by storm when they start winning it all. Note Harbaugh is keeping Kaep in the pocket this year. He's running just a handful times a game. Russell's never been a huge rusher. Not even close compared to someone like Vick

 

Sig quote?

 

Sure you can use it Maynard.

 

He's definitely not playing great. Even in their last two wins, hes really been unimpressive. I'll admit hes not turning it over but he's really not doing anything. Their running game has kicked it up a few notches the last couple games but so far this year Kaep has not given them anything that Alex Smith wouldn't have given them. Kaep is currently a game manager and nothing else.

 

Seems as though there is some memory loss going on.

 

I was bummed you guys lost. I am sorry. Hope you can bounce back after your bye week.

 

Happy to see you here. I posed a question in here earlier and maybe you can weigh in. There is some debate about whether Philbin/Sherman are coaching Ryan Tannehill to stay in the pocket rather look to escape and make plays with his legs. Was there ever this sense with Aaron Rodgers in the first year or two of him starting?