Yeah, I was referring to McNutt. And GIK chalking it up to the coaching staff not teaching wr how to tackle properly. I certainly think you can make an attempt to tackle someone without grabbing their facemask. Didn't see Bumphis missed tackle. But at least he didn't grab the guy by the facemask haha.
The dude went from not being able to block a cornerback when he wasn't looking to serving up pancakes against linebackers. I think he showed enough to make the team.
It's nice to see guys progressing from their rookie to sophomore seasons. I'd like to think Egnew, McCray, Devlin (obviously Tannehill), Tyms fall into this category. Surely I've forgotten some.
You would if you'd been following my Live Blog at 8:48 PM. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-live-score-highlights-and-analysis-for-miami
I'm just saying I won't hold it against a WR for making that play. I doubt he intentionally grabbed the facemask like you seem to think. I'm sure the coaches were more upset at Devlin throwing the pick in Saints territory anyway.
IMO Tyms is a player who is one year away from being a solid contributor. He has great athletic numbers, which is good, however he has also shown the ability to run routes. Roborto Wallace also has the numbers, however he couldn't run a good comeback route and the out and up route that Tyms ran was a thing of beauty. McCray disappointed me at the beginning of preseason, however in the last two he has looked pretty decent to good. I think he has shown enough not to be replaced by a random guy from another team.
One of the reasons I have changed my mind a little bit about Chad Bumphis and being OK with exposing him to waivers as long as the team still commits to keeping him on practice squad is because of the game Brian Tyms had last night. I showed it several times on the Live Blog. Tyms was winning off the line of scrimmage and running his routes extremely well. He showed up as the 6'3" and 210 lbs guy that runs a 4.40 and has all kinds of good agility and jump metrics. Where he consistently lacks is in how he treats the football in the air. There is always some non-instinctive awkwardness there in terms of how he finishes the catch and transitions to the run-after-catch. I put up a still shot of him winning off the line of scrimmage to where his separation on the route was inevitable, but what I didn't show was how he finished the catch by awkwardly jumping instead of catching it on the run, which made RAC impossible. On some of the short catches he made during the drive where Chad Bumphis finally caught some footballs, you could also see some awkwardness in his transition from catch to run. The announcers isolated it at one point and I captured a still of it but on a play where Pat Devlin rolled right, Brian Tyms used his hands VERY adeptly to push off and create an opening to potentially catch a touchdown pass. But Pat Devlin is still in many ways the same guy at Delaware that did not trust his own arm in such situations. He always opts for the shorter pass, and in this case I believe he even opted for the throwaway rather than keeping his eyes down the field on Tyms.
When a receiver drops a would-be catch, do you not hold it against him because he probably didn't intend to drop it?
So getting flagged is OK? Sorry. Not buying it. Not getting penalized is among every player's primary job responsibilities. There is no situation on offense or defense where grabbing a guy's facemask is OK. He should have known better and he deserves to be dinged for that facemask.
you should have pimped yourself during the game day thread.. or maybe you did but I didn't see it. Or you maybe you did but we deleted it
Actually, Nat Moore said Tyms did a poor job of running his route on that play... every once in a while Nat would say something important.
LOL. I didn't. I came in briefly to just brag about how easy Las Vegas is making it to bet on preseason games. And I was promptly reminded that if I'm betting on preseason games then I've clearly got a problem. I'll tell you what's not a problem. Let's pretend a man had 355 "units" he wagered on 9 games, and he only lost 45 of those "units". Well, that man would probably be pretty happy with Las Vegas' complete inability to predict preseason performances.
I never said getting flagged is OK. A mistake is a mistake but it isn't a black and white game where every mistake is the same. Some mistakes are weighted differently IMO. I believe a drop pass for a wide receiver is a mistake that can be made in more situations than getting a facemask penalty after an interception. If it were a facemask penalty on a special teams play, I'd feel differently.
Emphasis on "every once in a while". I hate to say it but Nat Moore and Bob Griese are abhorrently bad.
I think it is pretty obvious that someone on this coaching staff is absolutely in love with Brian Tyms right now. This guy has gotten a lot of chances over the past three games to do some things. He is still a project, but he's a guy they are going to keep around because of what they think he can be in 2 years vs right now. I would still keep Bumphis over McNutt.
yeah i remember you saying that about the line, Saints were plus six? And I went on to say preseason wagering will get you paid. It's a completely different type of gambling though lol.
I felt bad for Jesse Agler. Yet he still has a smile on his face at the end of the game. A true professional
I thought he was pretty obviously pissed at the player. It was an emotional reaction to some perceived transgression. I see it as a negative for McNutt but a minor one.
As would I. I must be the only person that was not really that impressed with McNutt's work last night. I loved him coming out so don't accuse me of any kind of bias. I have no more reason to like Bumphis than I do McNutt. But McNutt's shining moment of the evening was a 56 yard touchdown pass on 4th & 4 where the defense just completely blew the coverage. He ran a pretty simple out and up from the slot and the defensive back just blew the coverage. Pat Devlin then placed the ball perfectly and all McNutt had to do was catch it and continue running. If we're praising a receiver for THAT...we must be desperate for guys who just do normal things reliably. Otherwise I saw some things that I didn't like from him during the game...lack of RAC ability, still a maddening tendency to try and one-hand the ball if if gets even a little outside of his catch radius. He had a nice play or two but he also had some bad plays and that personal foul penalty.
probably not as big of a mistake as Keenan Davis going on a false start while running in motion towards the center. That was the most upset I've seen Philbin about a penalty all preseason.
I generally agree with those assessments on Tyms and McCray. I think it makes Tyms a PS candidate at worst depending on who they like best among Tyms, McNutt and Bumphis. IMO they're probably close enough that STs play could decide the outcome.
That's why Vegas sucks at it. Their entire infrastructure is set up to compare their power rankings based on the starting rosters and the primary backups. You start venturing into territory where you have to predict outcomes based on the #40 through #90 players on the roster...forget about it. Vegas just isn't nearly as efficient setting up those lines as they are in the regular season, where their record is profoundly good. Lucky for me I do so much draft evaluation that I'm familiar with a very large number of these #40 through #90 guys.
That was pretty bad. That would have pissed me off too. It's pretty rare that a player older than the pee-wee level doesn't know when to turn up field while in motion towards the center.
The worst was when Pat Devlin just completely overthrew Egnew in the end zone and Bob Griese was just stammering about Egnew, "He just needs to...he just...he just has to...uhh..." and what he eventually said made absolutely no sense and effectively he was saying Egnew needs to somehow make it so that Pat Devlin threw him an accurate ball on the back shoulder. Nat Moore was just as bad later when talking about Chad Bumphis "trying to do too much". If you actually paid attention to what was going on on the field during all that, you know that Nat Moore's rambling made absolutely no sense and had no relevance whatsoever to what was happening on the field. They really just throw sh-t out there and then just run with it regardless of relevance, and it's all OK because they get all chummy with other fellow beloved alums like John Offerdahl.
CK, in your posts about Tyms you have used the word "instinctive". Are you saying he lacks the innate gifts to do it? Or is he still so green at the position, he hasn't figured out the mechanics? I ask this because if it is the former then we should walk away from him but if it is the latter then we need to find a way to keep connected to him until he "gets it" either on the 53 or if we think he can make it to the PS. Your opinion?
Yea, when I watched the whole game earlier this morning, I brought up the terrible analysis Greise had on the play. He brought it up during halftime too, but he's wrong and I wish would have been called on it.
And Nat Moore had like five instances where he did the same thing. What he was saying had nothing to do with what was happening on the field.
It might just me being silly as per usual, but might it be that all of Vaughan Martin's play time last night was us putting him in the shop window as a possible tradeable commodity for a team looking for more experienced depth on their defensive line?
Nah. Too expensive. Falls into the category of conspiracy theories very likely to be completely unfounded. Kevin Coyle was impressed with him early in camp. He had yet to show anyone in preseason why Coyle should be impressed. Last night he finally did. Probably enough to keep him on roster.
I agree with you except for the fact that we just haven't had receivers that could do what McNutt did. We have Wallace now, but do we have anyone else? I know it seems like the minimum you'd want from a receiver, but we haven't really had anyone who could take those long plays and turn them into TDs. Outrun a defender, catch without falling, run through the ball and don't get dragged down by a shoestring tackle. Maybe he got lucky, but the only other guy on the offense who I would have confidence in doing all of the above is Wallace. That makes him special. One of the smartest kids on the short bus.
McNutt wasn't outrunning people because of some great ability though. The fact that he wasn't caught was more a testament to how poorly the secondary covered. I would not in any way compare what he did on the play to what Mike Wallace does. Just about anyone on roster could have done what McNutt did on the play, I think.
I don't think I did. I just think that McNutt put some skills together on that play that other receivers on the team have not showed. Hartline would fall, Matthews would run out of bounds, Gibson would get caught from behind. I'm speaking in generalities of course, but I think it was a play that we haven't seen very much out of Dolphins receivers - busted coverage or otherwise. That makes McNutt stand out a bit.
Here's my guess at the 53 (this is who I think makes it through initial cuts, not who I want): QB (3) - Tannehill, Moore, Devlin HB (4) - Miller, Thomas, Thigpen, Gillislee FB (1) - Rodriguez (on shaky ground and could be replaced, but STs saves him for the moment) TE (3) - Clay, Egnew, Sims WR (5) - Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, Matthews, Tyms OL (9) - Martin, Incognito, Pouncey, Jerry, Clabo, Samuda, Thomas, Garner, Yeatman DE (4) - Wake, Vernon, Shelby, Jordan DT (5) - Soliai, Starks, Odrick, Randall, Martin LB (7) - Misi, Ellerbe, Wheeler, Trusnik, Spitler, Freeny, Jenkins CB (5) - Grimes, Patterson, Carroll, Taylor, Davis S (4) - Jones, Clemons, McCray, Wilson ST (3) - Sturgis, Fields, Denney
