Keller Done For The Year (Tears ACL/MCL/PCL knee dislocated)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/20/hartline-calls-swearinger-hit-on-keller-crap/

 

Well, lets not kid ourselves either, DK was NOT a great blocker...Sims, as a rook is probably a better blocker, but there is something to be said for Kellers ability to get free, that we likely will miss from the other guys we have on the roster...unless they man up and develop quicker than we think...

 

You know, reading the comment section of this article, it's more divided than I thought it would be. I thought there would be definitely be more of the "it's football, deal" crowd than those on Hartline's side, but it seems pretty evenly divided.

 

This whole, "I can't hit high" argument is complete and utter bull ****. And i'm about sick of it.

Its just a lie. You can't hit the HEAD of a defenseless receiver. The majority of the body lies between the head and the knee. Its an absurd and dishonest argument.

That dirty *** POS targeted the knee and admits it.

 

It's a pretty stupid excuse,

"The NFL has erased 10% of my hitzone! I, therefore, must attack the exact polar opposite of that 10% hitzone and no where else!"

http://www.miamidolphins.com/news/p...er-Moves/ef9b45b6-0716-4c3b-9d66-6d66a02c8ef5

[video=youtube;LnImG_6vyZE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnImG_6vyZE[/video]

 

I'd also like to say the other argument about a poor little DB not being able to take down a giant mountain of a man TE that Keller is (lawls) is also complete and utter BS.

Keller was not moving forward. He had no momentum. There's only 40lbs difference between the two for crying out loud.

Nut the **** up, its your job to tackle TEs.

 

Brian Hartline is also not happy about the hit

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...texans-safety-dj-swearinger-hit-dustin-keller

 

How does Keller being out affect the team in terms of dollars? Does his salary still count against the salary cap, or is that money freed up to be used on someone else? As an aside, I'm also curious about all the medical and rehab costs; I'm assuming the team picks up all of that.

 

Settle down with the dramatic overkill, man. This isn't "negative energy"; it's plain ole rational disappointment about losing a guy most of us were pretty excited about to begin with. You understand how disappointment works, yes? The greater the buildup leading up to the event the greater the potential for disappointment becomes. Apparently you were absent around the forum the past few years b/c if you weren't you would've seen ALLLLL the posts and threads involving Miami's need to upgrade the TE position with a player of Keller's ability and how that ability can benefit both the offense and Tannehill's development. Then instead of disappointingly re-signing Fasano we actually go after Keller!! "Hoooray! We finally got our mismatch TE who forms a nice dynamic with Mike Wallace, gets the offense out of playing in a 20 yard box, can be counted on from day 1, and whose veteran presence will greatly aid Tannehill over the middle of the field where he needs developing!!"

So, after all that emotion-driven tight end talk plus the huge sigh of relief upon signing Keller, what you're seeing around here now following his injury is a typical and acceptable emotional response from ThePhins posters who've been emotionally invested in the TE position the past few years. Perhaps you're unaware of it but what your post is actually doing is implying that all those past TE posts were also irrational by default considering they're directly tied to the ones you're complaining about now. If you were one of those posters heavily invested in the search for a weapon at TE then you're likely quite disappointed to see Keller go down now, to the point that it's more than just an "oh well, next man up" reaction after the injury.

The fact is- if Keller's loss doesn't hurt, we wouldn't have signed him in the first place. We don't have the veteran Tom Brady at QB who can get the most out of anyone on the field. We have a 2nd year QB who could use a surrounding upgrade at talent and veteran presence to get the most out of him. We now have an offense that's a Mike Wallace injury away from being nearly as easily defendable as last year, and the loss of Keller just made the lives of opposing linebackers & safeties that much easier and that much more capable of focusing greater attention on Wallace, Miller, and bringing extra pressure. Yes, we have a great defense that should allow us to win low scoring games, HOWEVER, an ability to score more offensive points puts our defense in a position to play more aggressively, as well as forces opposing offenses to play with more risk that we can in turn use to create turnovers and subsequently blow games open with. Losing Keller hurts nearly as much as losing Wallace for the year.

 

You took my post waaaaay too seriously.

Point of the matter is...he's gone bro. Analysis is great...but it's not gone heal the knee. Have a cold one and relax. Can't miss what you never had.

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It's a shame a handful of lazy, selfish, unconcerned, reckless defenders will have to ruin it for all the properly skilled ones who can execute a tackle, including a low one, without blowing out a knee.

 

Man I'd love to see a rule change that penalizes for reckless hits to the knees like Swearinger's. That way we'll get to joyously see all the defenders getting trucked who don't learn how to tackle properly, and hey- who doesn't love watching a good ole fashion truckin'!! Imagine what Earl Campbell's highlight film would be reduced to in today's game with all these whiny defenders going low and taking out knees b/c they're too much of a p**** to attempt to bring him down legitimately. If you can't handle the heat then get out'a the kitchen and leave the tackling to the real men you friggin' babies. Every time I hear a player whining about having to go low now that head shots are off the table I picture him in a pink tutu, b/c that's what he belongs in.

 

I just finished listening to Cris Carter's opinion of "the rules causing players to go low" nonsense. I know I'm beating a dead horse but I'm tired of this repeatedly lame excuse-making [whining] by players.

If a defensive back can't cover Calvin Johnson one on one then that defender shouldn't be entitled to hold him throughout his route to level the playing field. Likewise, if a defender can't properfly tackle a ball carrier on his own merit or at least wrap up and wait for help then he deserves to get trucked or juked. period. This massive false sense of entitlement from these players whining about "the rules are making them target low" is absurd. It's the ball carrier's goddam right & privilege to run your *** over if you can't bring him down legitimately. You're not ENTITLED to go low just b/c you suck at your job of tackling & wrapping up or b/c you're outmatched by a bigger/better player. Football is meant to be a physical game, not one that defenders skirt the physicalness of by targeting heads & knees. If defenders can't handle that physicalness then they should look for another career, not resort to cheap ways of leveling the playing field. Advantages SHOULD exist in this game. It's what makes the game enjoyable. Great players SHOULD have an advantage. Well executed plays up front SHOULD leave running backs mismatched against the smaller second line of defense, leaving that back an opportunity to run them over for a big gain, not having to worry about his knee being blown out by a defender too chicken s*** to attempt a proper tackle. A tight end matched up against a safety SHOULD have an advantage when it comes to being tackled by him. Can't have your cake and eat it too. If a defense chooses to replace a linebacker who can tackle with a safety who can cover better then that safety suffers the consequences if a completion is made. It's no different than a WR suffering the consequences if he doesn't recognize zone coverage and runs himself into a big hit after a reception. Those guys get blown up but you don't see them whining about it when it's an honest hit, and that's b/c they understand it's the nature of the game. They don't have this whacked up feeling of self-entitlement that defenders are currently displaying.

Every player should have to play within the confines of the game, regardless if that means making life harder for DB's and LB's trying to tackle ball carriers who are difficult to bring down. That's the nature of the game. A 240+ pound linebacker *SHOULD* be able to tackle a back or tight end WITHOUT needing to go low or high. If a DB is put on a back or TE then he *SHOULD* have to face the consequences of bringing him down w/o cheaply targeting high or low. If a front 7 can't do its job properly around the box then it *SHOULD* be tough friggin' luck for DB's trying to make the tackle outside of it. If a DC chooses to bring a DB into the box to gain a run advantage then he *SHOULD* be treated like a front 7 player and tackle like one, not whine like a baby about how he needs to go low.

Carry on.

 

Bring it on. Im up for it. They almost decapitated our Guard as well. Sooner or later our team will knock the living "snot" out of them. Notice i used "snot"...gotta keep it calm. Losing to them on a regular basis gotta end soon yeah? They are doing a good job of getting Miami mentally up to ripping them a big one and then shoving it down their throats. Its coming. Texans might be Jets Mk2 regarding karma and fan hate. Pre-season or regular........to be continued.

 

These posters are ridiculous. Lets all make accounts and raid the board. Mines awaiting activation now.

http://boards.houstontexans.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=645967

 

that must mean Texans fans would be ok with offensive tackles using cheap dangerous tactics to block JJ Watt since he's a mismatch against them.

 

Someone remind me how they responded when Texans best LB got cheap wasted for the season? Bunch of Hypocritical slapped jawed f******s. Not my words..Jesse Ventura in Predator. Seen nothing from their fanbase apart from pure homer attitude. Im actually glad Hartline spoke out. Someone from the Dolphins needed to say something!
Willie McGinest is one of the best, balanced unbiased experts ive watched and heard for his views and opinions. Ive tried huge not to even listen to the NE LB but every time he gives his opinion i take notice and have a sudden need to nod my head. Speaking sense and what the eyes tell you may be going out of fashion but McGinest is old skool and says what we all are thinking beit right or wrong from a professional, fan and general "im not a total biased lets wind up other NFL teams fans merchant...see Heath Evans (Take note Sheath that McGinest made plays and has Patriot tattooed on his CV)....just saying..". Got some love for Willie McGinest. He never slags off Phins unless is actually fact.

 

It really is disappointing to read the responses by Texans fans. They are basically validating the helmet swing with the excuse that Incognito had hand in the face. WTF?

Some even have the nerve to call for a suspension for Incognito.

And I was happy to see Hartline call out Swearinger. Dude deserves whatever comes to him. Hit was dirty as hell. Then he spelled Dustin Keller's name wrong in his Twitter apology.

 

LMAO.

Debate part 2, Evans versus Sharper.

They basically stated all of these points we've been making throughout this thread as to why this was a dirty hit, but yet had the gall to call Hartline's reaction wrong!

****ing twilight zone up in hurr!

 

The NFL thought it was necessary to make mandatory a couple of small pieces of foam called thing and knee pads, neither of which has probably ever prevented a reconstructive surgery, so who knows.

 

Is that really any surprise? Those dimwits elected scum like Rick Perry. I wouldn't be surprised at anything that spews from their pie holes.

 

Video at the top for those who missed it, I know this is done and over with, but the discussion is still going on so whatever;

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...artline-swearingers-answer-on-keller-hit-crap

 

For what it's worth, Jon Bostic got fined for his hit last thursday (which was clean btw and in no way warranted a fine.). At least 1 person agrees with me (In this case, Lance Briggs brings up the Keller incident in the link) about the hypocrites the NFL has become on hitting in general. But, player safety, right?

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/grizzly-detail/Jon-Bostic-Reportedly-Fined-for-Big-Hit-220495091.html

 

I think the fine is ticky tack....but it was helmet to helmet with Bostic leading with head down. I think they are going for a zero tolerance policy and basically have said as much. They don't care about knees, they care about the head and concussions....and rightfully so from a legal standpoint and a basic decency standpoint.

 

There is nothing hypocritical. Its simple. Keep your head up.

 

Hope he has a fast and full recovery.

 

I think most players would say they have more of a problem with Swearinger's hit than they do with Bostic's and who knows more about player safety than the players themselves? Kudos to the league for responding to the hit job on Chushing (vs Jets) last year with some rule changes concerning low blocks inside the tackle box IIRC. Still, if you're an NFL player you're more worried about knee injuries than head injuries. Goodell and co. are s clearly more worried about head injuries (lawsuits?) when they talk player safety so in that sense it is hypocritical.

 

Tell that to Swearinger.

 

At least a little bit of a silver lining - no nerve damage to Keller's knee. That makes a comeback far more likely.

From Schefter, via PFT:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/22/report-no-nerve-damage-for-dustin-keller/

 

Doctors/physicians. #1 rule you learn as a youth is to keep your head up. In HS if someone would put their head down, a coach would take them aside, make them stand with their head down, and slap it back and forth a few times.

And there really isn't anything hypocritical about it. Bostic hit is exactly what they're trying to avoid. Just because it wasn't a blow to the offensive player's head, that doesn't mean Bostic's head wasn't put in a compromising position. Players are less concerned with head trauma than knee injuries because they're focused on short-term financial gain, not on living past the age of 50.

 

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported on NFL Insiders that Dustin Keller avoided nerve damage when he tore his ACL, MCL, and PCL and dislocated his right knee in Miami's third preseason game.

Per Schefter, Keller's knee "cartilage and nerves are intact," and "doctors believe he will have a chance to resume his NFL career." The catastrophic knee injury may still sap Keller's best assets -- his speed and movement skills. Out for the season, the 29-year-old will hit unrestricted free agency next March.

 

Yeah, and poor Mike Willie. Knocked out for the season due to the injury caused by Bostic's hit. Wait, what? Willie got right up off the ground and wasn't injured after all? How can that be?

This is the biggest bunch of double standard bull crap there has been in the league in quite a while.

Swearinger also lowered his head and made forcible contact with a defenseless player's body. I don't know about anyone else, but my knees are part of my body. Either you fine both players, or fine neither. Swearinger's crap was by far worse in any measure of both plays. To say otherwise is simply ludicrous.

 

The result of the play shouldn't what decides this. Bostic put his head down and lead with the crown of his helmet. That should not be tolerated.

Swearinger's is a little more debatable as to whether the head was lowered, but I agree in principle. Leading with your head should not be tolerated.

 

The guy who hits a player in the chest lowered his head, and the guy who hits a player in the knees, it is debatable?? Not to me.