Pouncey needs to get his head out of his butt

You're being ridiculous. The comparison is more than not perfect, it just doesn't even make sense.

You know what, eff it, why even have a trial?

 

Dont be ridiculous.

 

Look, the debate has blown up more than one would expect but the underlying event was a murder so that's why. Only murder, the Jets and anything to do with Jeff Ireland can get people this upset.

 

More seriously, the point I was making is "it's just a hat" is an inadequate excusal IMO. Various hats, like the one I mentioned, would evidence this.

It's about so much more than the fabric on buddy's head.

For that matter, the declaration of independence was just a frickin piece of paper.

Things carry significance beyond their apparent function when a second symbolic function and meaning is given to them.

 

The Jets should have a category all to themselves.

 

Free The Jets

 

That cuts both ways. I think it's ridiculous to wear a FREE SO AND SO hat in support of a friend who has NOT BEEN found innocent either but has been confined to prison until trial by TWO JUDGES ruling against him. The prosecution hasn't even had a chance a chance to plead their case on behalf of a murder victim, yet the Pounceys are already pining for his release? GTFO here.

AH wasn't chosen at random to be charged for Odin's murder, so innocent until proven guilty is a little naive and ignorant. His defense attorney won't be sitting quietly through the trial with his feet up and hands behind his head watching the prosecution attempt to prove his client's guilt. AH isn't innocent until proven guilty; he's in f***in' limbo at the moment but with all evidence pointing at his involvement, just as his bail hearing judge clearly voiced seems to be the case and didn't feel it was in society's best interest to put him on the streets.

 

He's not guilty in a court of law. That doesn't mean he can't be found guilty using common sense.

 

WADR, what part don't you understand about Hernandez being guilty of some lofty weapon charges alone? Why do you keep ignoring that aspect of the case? Do you feel AH deserves special treatment in this regard or that it's not that big a deal to be facing a max sentence of 32 years for those crimes alone?

 

You don't know all the evidence for and against. Fine, convict him in your head all you want, but to act like someone who doesn't agree with you yet, is the second lowest scum on the earth, says more about you than it does the other person.

 

I know enough evidence to conclude that AH is a POS.

 

Wow. I asked for a postcard from there not a frothy mouthed rant about why you hate the current judicial system.

 

You don't know enough to expect the Pounceys to convict him of that as well, since they actually know him and you don't.

 

...and what part about him not being found innocent yet do you not understand?

As far as Hitler & Hernandez go, the belief it's ok to take a human's life is the belief it's ok to take a human's life, and one human life doesn't have less value just because it was the only life taken. I doubt the victim's loved ones feel less hurt just b/c Odin was the only one murdered, therefore the Pounceys wearing a FREE HERNANDEZ hat should be as offensive to the victim's family as a Boca Raton resident who lost a loved one from the Holocaust seeing an "I'M WITH HITLER" hat.

 

because the law requires it, even if the murder happens on video, in a church, with a priest as a witness.

 

Hitler was guilty. AH may not be.

 

Those things didn't happen with AH.

 

If words and statements are meaningless then I guess MLK was killed for nothing, huh?

 

Exactly, so if you don't know all the evidence for or against him, why would you protest for his freedom? Like I said- cuts both ways. Except, so far there's no evidence pointing toward the acquittal direction.

 

right, because it's normal to choose to hang out with thugs rather than your NFL teammates, have a flophouse, own illegal weapons, get into fights where the opposition ends up dead, and take thug-like pictures of yourself flaunting a weapon. I don't have to KNOW Hernandez to know he's a POS; I can rely on the known facts for that.


And why do you keep ignoring the 5 counts of weapon charges?
Honestly, if it were your friend, how would you feel about him being arrested for illegally purchasing two illegal ones of these (as well as owning another weapon that's suddenly gone missing after a murder points its involvement):

 

well, if it were up to the bail hearing judge he'd already be found guilty. That's a pretty strong statement considering the prosecution has only played a portion of its hand.

 

Actually knowing him makes it much worse.

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Innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW. It's not, innocent until proven guilty on NFL Network, or PFT, or in the court of public opinion. So according to the law Hernandez is innocent of all charges at this point in the process and it really doesn't matter what you, or me, or Pouncey have to say about it. You think he's guilty, so do I. So what? I'm not naive enough to think that what I saw in the media is the whole of it. The defense hasn't even had a chance to make a case yet.

And please don't bring up Hitler to aid your POV while simultaneously running rough shod over any section of the Constitution/Bill of Rights that you find cumbersome. You want to deny the Pouncey's their right to free speech. Why, because Hernandez doesn't deserve a fair or speedy trial? Oh the irony. So far you've called the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th amendments into question. What's next, you want the Massachussets National Guard moving into Hernandez' house? Or maybe the 10th Mountain Division...

 

When did I say I want to deny Pouncey's right to free speech? When does the right to free speech mean everything a person says is appropriate and must be tolerated by all? Just b/c you have the right to free speech it doesn't mean you have the right to be heard.

No, I haven't called a single amendment into question but please feel free to quote the specific areas in where you think I did.

And "Oh the irony" is more applicable to you sticking up for Pouncey's "right to free speech" but then deciding I'm apparently not entitled to mine just b/c you don't agree with me. That's irony for ya.

Furthermore, saying it's ok for the Pounceys to support Hernandez because he's their friend is a circular argument b/c that in and of itself is meaningless. So, Bob, why did you rob the liquor store with Billy? "Because he's my friend" isn't an acceptable answer. The Pounceys aren't immediate family. There's no sense of unconditional love to rationalize ignorance or naivety. Hell they're not any sort of family, unless it's a gang one. So how about you and FinD actually answering WHY the Pounceys are supporting him as a friend in the first place?

And you and FinD keep going back to the murder charge alone as if it's the only one he's facing. How 'bout the 32 year max sentence for the weapons charges? Are those a figment of my imagination? Did Hernandez move into a home that had them stashed in the walls without knowledge? Did the Connecticut mafia take his fiance' hostage and force him to begrudgingly harbor their weapons or they'd kill her? Sorry man, I have a moral issue with someone [especially a key starter on a team I root for] not just standing up for this POS but taking it a step further by protesting his freedom before a jury can hand down the guilty verdict. If you have a problem with it, suck my First Amendment.

For some reason you keep retorting the judicial system's motto of "guilty until proven innocent" as an excuse to justify the Pounceys' actions. That's BS. Their actions are actually in complete disregard of the judicial system b/c they're protesting for Hernandez's release BEFORE the judicial system has a chance to provide a goddam verdict. Again, hypocrite much? Have you seen a post of mine suggesting Hernandez be hanged without trial? No you haven't. At least I'm respecting the f****** system.

 

What's kinda disheartening, GM, is that you seem to have a bigger issue with me voicing my freedom of speech rights [against something many feel is amoral] than you do for a player's freedom of speech that supports a charged murderer, a gun possession criminal. If that's not backwards I dont know what is.

BTW it's funny, GM, I didn't recall insulting you even though I disagree with how you choose to exercise your 1st Amendment Rights on this topic. Ironic that you, the supposed freedom of speech advocate, went the other direction. Thanks, hypocrite.

 

You think we're exaggerating our Anger, we think your not angry enough, end this disgusting thread please shut it down, burn it, send it to the depths.. I don't wanna know my friends are supporting these idiots gestures of insensitivity.

 

But no, Deej, they're your friends. Haven't you learned by now that you HAVE to support their decision to support Pouncey for supporting a charged thug murder who's in the very least guilty of 5 counts of weapons charges and fully guilty of being a POS?

 

just don't tell me I'm overreacting by calling them gross and insensitive, and I sure as hell don't want anyone telling me what their doing is no big deal, I guess the difference of opinions comes from the message their sending and at what consequence does it have on our society.??

I think we all take what they did in, and assimilate it differently, I take it as disrespect to the 10 th degree, some people think it's ok for them to support their bud before the jury hears the case..I know what I think of the Pouncey kids, and I know the freedom to support their college friend angle Fin and GM and Clean are comin from, I see their angle, I just don't like that they think that way on this topic, pisses me off lol

 

Someone put that in their sig....quick.

 

I'm not supporting them. I am indifferent.

 

As I said earlier the outrage over this is way over the top IMV.

Get his head out of his*&@, Tar and feather, cut him, Philbin is a lier and hybocrite, and so on for 22 pages, WOW.

Yet I look up Evan Rodriguez, who has had his off field problems dating back to his college days, and there is nothing, NADA. ZIP .... on him or his signing by the club or our Saint HC Joe Philbin. In that case Philbin's halo is still all aglow.

A hat = Lets string him up.
Signing a KNOWN problem player = ZIP.

 

It pisses me off that college friends can't support one another BEFORE one of them has been proven guilty, without being called scum. If they did it AFTER he was found guilty, they're scum. Again, if they think he's innocent, then in their minds he's a victim of whoever committed the crimes too. When he's proven guilty (and I don't doubt he will be) then they should stop all support for him. If AH's grandmother didn't believe her grandson was capable of murder, is she scum too? If they all think he's guilty and are supporting him, then they're scum.

And Todd, I don't view the weapons charges as anything bigger than possession of weed or illegal immigration. Its against the law sure, but its not one of those things that automatically qualifies someone as a bad person, like stealing or rape.

 

If they believe he is innocent then that's probably worse. How anyone with a functioning brain could believe AH is innocent???

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This is getting annoying.

You are basing your stance on the very little info you've gotten through the news, all of which hasn't been disputed yet. Basically, you've only heard one side of the story. Secondly, knowing someone and not believing they are capable of murder can outweigh whatever one sided evidence has been told by the press. Its fine to disagree with the them, its entirely another thing to blast them and their character for it.

 

That's certainly your choice to feel that way, and in some cases I agree, but not when it involves the context of this case nor the actual charges themselves. Among those charges are Hernandez illegally obtaining 2 high capacity firearms that are also illegal to possess in Connecticut (as well as many other states). How is that like possession of weed? You smoke weed with the intention of getting high, not to hurt someone. What's the purpose of illegally obtaining illegal firearms? I know that sounds redundant but you can legally obtain illegal firearms if you purchase them in a state where they're actually legal. Couple that with his gun that's not present- the Glock .45 that matches the murder weapon. What about pairing the illegal weapons with a flophouse that you and your thug homies hang out in? What's the need for that when you have a well-equipped 5600 square foot home already? What are you hiding? What don't you want your fiance' to see? It's not a secret that his boys aren't upstanding citizens.

Like Stringer said, we don't need a murder conviction to know he's guilty of being a lowlife, and his suspected gang ties date back to 2009 which is reportedly why the NFL wiped him from their draft boards and waited till the 4th to pick him.

 

Camp starts tomorrow, that's all I have to say.

 

What are you talking about dude? It wasn't one-sided evidence told by the press. It was the DA's evidence presented to a goddam judge, you know- the evidence the judge used to determine Hernandez should be imprisoned until trial b/c of how overwhelming she felt it was. He could've been provided bail and be currently sitting home sipping cocoa while flipping through the Disney channels with his fuzzy slippered feet kicked up on the ottoman, BUT NO, HE'S IN JAIL by the judicial system's choice. The Pounceys didn't "support a friend". They PROTESTED his freedom despite 2 judges determining he'd look good wearing all orange. "Being a friend" doesn't excuse common sense, common decency, respect for the judicial system, and respect for the victim's family.

What happens after AH is found guilty and the picture resurfaces of the Pounceys protesting the freedom of a convicted murderer? Is your answer to every poor choice in life gonna be, "But I'm just supporting a friend", as if it's an accepted form of absolution? Why did you burn that house down? "I was jus supporting a friend". Why did you drink and drive? "I was just supporting a friend occifer". C'mon man, you're talking about a relationship that's conditional, not an unconditional one. How would you feel about me if I protested for Hernandez's freedom before the system has a chance to offer a verdict?

 

I have a story that well relates to this whole "He's supporting a friend" mentality. When I was at Clemson, my best friend and I were out shooting pool and having drinks after work one night. He was an intelligent, popular, seemingly respectable guy. Nothing remotely suspicious like crap involving Hernandez pre Odin murder.

Near the tail end of the night he says to me, "You wanna follow that girl outside when she leaves and force her to have sex with us?"
I didn't know how to answer it so just firmly said, "No"..... but like I was burning a hole through him with my eyes.
He retorted with something like, "but she's been looking over here all night; she'd probably like it".
So I got up in his face and quietly said, "If you touch this girl or any other girl or I hear of you talking sh** like this again I'll beat the f****** life out you!....and the next time a girl turns up raped I'm dropping your name off at the police department so you better pray nothing happens to anyone".

Now, he wasn't arrested for anything, hadn't committed a crime, and was drunk at the time, but that didn't stop me from immediately dropping him as a friend just for bringing up the topic. I didn't say, "Yeah buddy, I've unconditionally gotta support you so let's go assault this girl!" Loyalty to a friend is meaningless when it involves compromising your belief system b/c the bond between friends is NOT unconditional. I'd like to see the reaction of one of you who finds out a friend has allegedly banged your wife or gf. "Nice job, buddy! {high-5} Great lay isn't she! Mouth like an industrial vacuum! How 'bout givin' her one more go for the Gipper on me!"

What's interesting is how many posters currently feel a strain on relationships over this issue despite it being twice removed from the actual event. If the strain seems bad now when it only involves supporting Pouncey, how much worse does it become if we skip Pouncey and jump into posters' reactions toward posters supporting Hernandez himself? Friendships would dissolve quite quickly even though those posters did nothing but exercise their 1st Amendment Right. But that's still nothing. We're not even all the way there yet. What happens if we ditch posters supporting Hernandez and instead have those posters actually being the thug Hernandez? All hell would break loose. Like I said, there's an air of loyalty being disrupted around here now and we're not even into the nitty gritty, yet some of you think "I'm supporting a friend" is an acceptable excuse. Friendships are CONDITIONAL. They do NOT supersede an individuals own belief system which is significantly more powerful than any friendship can be.

Furthermore, just like with my ex friend- our friendship was tight enough that he felt compelled to share that deplorable thought with me, so I think it's naive to believe that someone who's apparently close enough with a friend to wear a FREE SO AND SO hat wouldn't know what type of person their close friend actually is. After all, that's a part of being close- letting the other person into your world, otherwise you're not really that close to begin with, and if you're not really that close then what's the friggin point of wearing a Free So And So hat? It's not a secret Hernandez is of questionable character.

 

Hmm, this is the first I've heard of this. From Wiki:

Arrest just this March, and two months ago, another DUI, speeding and improper lane change. Released by the Bears. We sign him. Hmmmm\

I thought Philbin doesn't put up with bad character guys.

 

I see you're still on your crusade to right everything wrong in the world. Good luck with that. Start by logging off a message board.

Good point. It's very interesting when teams take a man who has a history of questionable decisions. A lot of football players, you could call them 'tough-guys'. You take a guy who's hard, a play-maker, hoping he's matured. It's a gamble.

Clyde Gates comes to mind. He never made any news bulletin. Never got arrested...but Philbin was disgusted by him. It's because he was a softy.