Parcells admits regret over Dolphins exit

What principles are you talking about?

 

Many times you and I "battle" in the PoFo FinD, but I am by your side on this one! When in charge, TAKE FREAKING CHARGE. Take your bows when your leadership amazes one and all with victories and take the blame when your lack of leadership results in failures.

This is one Tuna that's not great tasting enough to be Starkiss.

 

Its worse than that. The team specifically failed because of Parcells. It was his outmoded blueprint that his poor choice of HC had to follow and Ireland had to acquire talent for.

It is no surprise that we are possibly staring at the two best back to back draft classes in franchise history, now that Great Fupa's blueprint is dust in the wind.

So yes, he should take charge and responsibility for being the boss, but he should take responsibility for actually making the mistakes that actually hurt us.

 

No. He was too old to coach again and he knew it.

I didn't like when he was hired. At a time when it was universally hailed I believe KB21 and I were two of maybe three or four total people that didn't like it, and we just thought yeah we all love it now but history says that one day we're going to hate this man for what he did. You can fill in the blanks as far as what happens in between to make us hate him, but we'll hate him.

 

Taking a value-based approach. Sticking to your valuations. Emphasizing intelligence and character. The culture surrounding the team. Those type of things.

 

What a self-serving POS!! Yeah, forget that YOU'RE the one who chose to bring in a 1st time HC, that YOU'RE the one who chose to bring in a 1st time GM to groom. Parcells, YOU'RE the one who handcuffed yourself with newbies, no one else. Forget that all the failed coaches were YOUR hirings. Forget that the outdated draft philosophies and ancient offensive design were YOUR choices. Forget that your lone winning season was courtesy of a schedule handed down by the football gods yet the team still required aid from a gimmick offense and Brady's absence to capitalize on. HA, you want us to believe you set the organization up for success but that your minions thwarted the effort after removing the training wheels? GTFO here. These current guys didn't ruin what you started; they faced a multi year task to f***ing repair what you started, arsehole.

Your regret is not sticking with us longer to repair the damage to your legacy? **** you. My regret is that you didn't leave sooner.

 

I think the poster you responded too was talking about Xs & Os type principles.

I'm also not sure a Parcells team is known for character and the team culture we are building now.

 

That is, as they call it down here, a heapin' helpin' of self-serving! I was not thrilled when it was announced he was coming, and was not thrilled with his performance here, and am not thrilled by the constant fawning over him as some sort of football hero. Somewhere, Vince Lombardi just did a double-face palm!

 

Take the money and run!!

 

Every drafter has a set of principles and typically sticks to his valuations. That's not a unique trait, and that in and of itself doesn't mean the principles and valuations are shared. Al Davis had his own set of principles and typically stuck to his own valuations. Does that now make him like Parcells?

I'm sorry but the change isn't from coach and scheme. Saying that is putting the cart before the horse. Coaching and scheme changed in the first place b/c Ireland wanted it changed, otherwise he would've never hired Philbin to begin with, and he didn't hire Philbin without knowing the type of personnel best suited for his scheme. This overall vision is Ireland's. The schemes, coaching, style of play, types of players, all of it-- Ireland's vision. Philbin fit into that vision so Ireland hired him. Do you think Ireland would hire a HC with different personnel needs than what Ireland prefers to draft for?

 

No, there are plenty of people in the NFL that regularly eschew their perceived value of a player in order to accomplish something else. Teams regularly over-pay or over-draft a player simply to fill needs.

Jeff Ireland didn't set out and say "I want a coach that is running a certain scheme". Mike McCoy's scheme is pretty different than Joe Philbin's. Jeff Fisher's schemes are completely different. The scheme would be much different is Peyton Manning came here. There was no common schematic thread. I think Jeff Ireland would hire whatever HC he felt is best, and would acquire players according to the coach's needs. I think Ireland believes his ability transcends specific schemes.

 

I apoligize for arguing with you back then, I know I did, and you few were right, just a great call on y'all's part....I loved the hire, I just didn't think he was a quitter..So let me get this strait, he's complaining about the three new dynamics when he's the one that hired the rookies..

His comments about Ross imo are just a way to scapegoat someone, Ross was totally hands off and would of given him every resource possible to be successful imo..

"Fu&$ the code..Fu&$ Parcells..and fu@& the Diaz bruthers"

Sorry I put y'all thru that for those years.

 

Right, and nobody said Ireland sticks to every one of Parcell's principles. The point is there are principles Ireland holds that came from Parcells. Seriously, if Parcells and Ireland didn't share many of the same principles, why did Parcells bring Ireland to Miami?

 

Didn't see your post..You called them newbs I called them rooks but yeah, wheres the follow up question??? Ughhhhh, yeah, ughhh, didnt you hire those first time people? Lol

Lets get it strait Todd, it's Fargin cook sockers..

 

I don't buy this, because the team went hard after Jeff Fisher.

Jeff Ireland and Joe Philbin are administrators first and foremost. Mike Sherman is the person who is responsible for designing the offense. Schemes are really an ancillary issue in all of this. Schemes change over the years, but principles will not.

 

What I really wish though is that in the 2011 off season when Steve Ross had the desire to investigate Jim Harbaugh, I wish he'd have had the balls to completely rip up the Parcells establishment that was put in place and go after Harbaugh hard and bare like he did Peyton Manning in 2012. None of this secretive, let's feel each other out, I want you to want me BS. Go to Harbaugh with a coaching and GM vacancy and say the HC job is yours and whoever you want as your GM, done. Don't know who Harbaugh would've picked, perhaps Michael Lombardi, but I'd love to see what the results of that experiment would've been.

And if you lose out then at worst you're engaging a coach search in a year where John Fox is also available. That's another guy I liked for the HC job.

Ah but whatever...wishes and fishes.

 

Whatever.

 

but isn't a GM regularly over-paying and over-drafting players to fill needs a part of his specific set of principles?

I can't agree with that. Firstly, Philbin is an offensive minded coach and it's already known that the reason he and Ireland work well together is because they share a similar vision. Secondly, McCoy is versatile when it comes to offensive scheme. Thirdly, Fisher isn't here and part of that is from having to share control with Ireland IIRC. I don't see how that would pose a problem unless his and Ireland's visions weren't cohesive. Yes, Ireland might not have set out to say, "This is the exact type of scheme I want to run", but he most definitely had a general idea of the offense he'd want instilled and the type of player he'd want filling it b/c I'm sure he's quite familiar by now with his scouting strengths regarding offensive players. I won't be convinced that Ireland, a guy finally given control of an NFL team, would decidedly choose to handcuff himself by hiring a HC with player needs that differ from what he himself prefers. I don't see that being realistic by any stretch, nor any fun for that matter. If I'm finally given free reign to run a team, you better believe I'm gonna do it the way I want and with the types of players I want. I didn't work as hard as I did to get here to just give that much say so over to the HC, is how I would feel, especially after recently being trapped under Parcells.

I don't buy Ireland being that arrogant because I'd be surprised if any player evaluator exists who is equally talented across the board at assessing ability and fit regardless of scheme and personnel type needed. Everyone has his own strengths. Besides, the trend change in players brought in didn't start with Philbin's arrival. It started when Parcells handed control to Ireland.

 

I could easily see many personnel evaluators believing they're just as good at finding talent for one scheme over another. Easily. In fact I think I've heard several say things to that exact effect.

 

No there aren't. Jerry Jones has made it perfectly clear that Ireland has never been a Parcellian disciple.

That's easy. Ireland was viewed as a blank slate as far as GM'ing goes. The truth is Parcells fell in love with Ireland's character, proficiency at organizing and scouting players, his dedication to his job, his professionalism & work ethic, and the ease to which he is to work with, and Tuna believed he could take that foundation and transform Ireland into Parcells 2.0. You can corroboratively piece this together with all the information and statements about the two we have at our disposal.

 

IDK, I strongly feel Harbaugh was doing nothing but using us for leverage. He wanted San Fran all along. There's nothing the Dolphins could've done short of moving the team to California. San Fran gave him what he wanted w/o having to move across the country.

 

He seems to blame much of the problems with the Dolphins on the fact that Ireland, Ross, and Sparano were all new to their positions. There wasn't much he could do about Ross buying the team, but he was the person who hired Ireland and Sparano in the first place.

I believe it was his desire to have complete control over the entire football operation was the reason he didn't to hire an experienced GM and HC. Blaming the inexperience of Ireland and Sparano in their positions by the man who hired these individuals is ridiculous on the part of Parcells.

 

thought it was pretty much common knowledge that Ross is the one who should receive the credit for the Philbin hire. Ireland wanted Mike McCoy and Ross wanted Philbin, that was reported by virtually everyone, from respected insiders like Schefter and Mortenson to the Miami Herald and SunSentinel. I even remember Mortenson saying that Jeffy and Peterson did not see eye to eye on the coaching search, which would coincide with what was being reported, that the GM wanted McCoy and the owner and his confidant Carl Peterson preferred Philbin. It was Ireland that told McCoy on Thursday after his 2nd interview in 4 days that if things went as expected they'd send a jet for him and the fam the following day to bring them from Denver to Miami. Next day, Philbin is hired. McCoy was so confident the job was his that he canceled an interview with the Raiders.

 

This is a bullcrap. Wayne paid him off on the assumption that he was selling to Ross. Billion dollar transactions don't happen overnight. Parcells knew he walked in here on a year to year plan to drive up the sales price and had a golden parachute written in to the contract. The real victim is Ross. And judging by some of his ineptitude, it wouldn't shock me one bit that he got taken. How does his investment look today?

 

No, not really...

 

I remember it like this too.

I think Ross is mostly responsible for the Philbin hire.

 

Actually its 3 out of 5 (if you count Dallas) and I never said he wasn't accomplished, just that he burns bridges everywhere he goes. And yeah you do have to consider Atlanta and Tampa in his legacy (particularly Tampa since it got Dungy fired). In fact I would bet it that Glazer, Kraft, Blank or some combination of the three were behind Parcells not making the HOF last year.

 

Also I wouldn't give him a whole lot of credit for the Pat's dynasty. He left them 4 year prior to Belichek arriving so that's like giving Saban credit for any success Philbin may have.

 

Right and the foundation of the Pats super franchise is Tom Brady.

 

Eat a bag of d****, Parcells.

 

Some c&&k n balls.

 

That alone isn't implicit of anything in the context we're speaking. It's a blanket statement that conveniently fits your argument. It's clear that Ireland's team is noticeably different than the one Parcells tried to establish. That's not all Philbin's doing, sorry.

Now, obviously Parcells isn't a total bumb when it comes to football so it's not like Ireland or any new GM is gonna disregard everything the veteran has to offer; however, learning from someone doesn't make that person a disciple. Ireland is Ireland.

 

I'm sorry, who was the coach of the Patriots when they went to the superbowl with Drew Bledsoe? That's what I thought. He laid the foundation that Belicheck built upon. Belicheck was still using the QB that Parcells drafted, until Belicheck got lucky and Bledsoe had his season ending injury.

and to this ridiculous post: Dallas does count as a success. He may not have taken them to a superbowl or NFC championship, but he once again took a team that was the worst in the NFC and built up enough talent to where they were in playoff contention every season. So, that's 4 out of 5 successes. Even Miami is a partial success. We were a complete laughing stock and in 2008 we won the division and made the playoffs. How many other coaches have done that with Miami recently? and the part about Glazer, Kraft and Blank keeping him out of the HOF is ridiculous speculation.

 

The problem is that you are trying to attribute some particular style of play to Parcells, when its clear that those that have come from under him have very little in common scheme-wise.

Either way, glad to see we are finally in agreement that Ireland learned from his time with Parcells.

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Funny you started out accusing me of only focusing only on the negatives, yet all you do is focus on his accomplishments. Parcells has been successful, that's a given but he has also p#ssed off people everywhere he has been. In fact Miami may have been his cleanest exist in his entire career.

What's ridiculous is you thinking Parcells not making the HOF last year wasn't because of NFL politics.

 

Do we think we can come up with a logical timeline for when to judge Ireland's duties considering all the variables for when he took the job, like being stuck with a first year head coach who wasn't that good.?, being left to clean up a mess that Parcells left?

Can we say for sure last three drafts?