Pouncey needs to get his head out of his butt

Hernandez has not been found guilty yet.

 

[video=youtube;h-XgvHPt1cg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-XgvHPt1cg[/video]

 

In a court of law, he has not. I think its pretty easy for people to look at the information available and make their determination.

 

Which is all well and good. I think he's guilty as hell. But lets not forget that the Pouncey brothers are also privy to info we aren't, and that's AH as a person. I cannot fault them for thinking him innocent at this point and still being in his corner. There is nothing wrong with supporting a friend before its been proven the friend is guilty. This is boredom by the fans more than anything.

 

Knowing AH very well as a person is a pretty big negative IMO. The guy is a scumbag from all appearances. I can't fathom being friends with someone like that. I mean if you were interviewing someone for a job and they said they're good friends with AH, what would you think?

 

And he's not close to being found innocent...insensitive and classless to the extreme, in fact I can't think of a more classless and insensitive act.... punks, .and I wouldn't care if they both kicked my ***, I'd say it right to their dumass faces..

I swear if I was related to the victims, Pouncey punks should watch their backs.

 

not really. I said exactly what they did. Which was something stupid. You are trying to make it into some burnable offense. It isn't one.

 

Mike Pouncey lined up in the huddle 29 times with Hernandez at UF.
Matt Light lined up in the huddle 30 times with Hernandez in NE.

Hernandez gets charged with murder (as well as 5 weapons charges of which he's all guilty) and might be linked to others. The amount of evidence provided to the public has been pretty overwhelming, and the Pounceys clearly don't live in a bubble. In the very least it's obvious Hernandez isn't a boyscout... or even the distant relative of a cousin of the neighbor of a boyscout. Redflags are up like crazy telling everyone affiliated with this bum to seriously question their relationship as well as how far they should be distancing themselves and how fast they should be doing it. And no, it's not like "his mother" in regards to denial. A mother's love is unconditional; a six year friendship is not. 50% of "till death do us part" end in divorce but you think a weaker type of bond [6 year friendship where the past 3 years have been somewhat separated] involves more loyalty and is tougher to separate from? I feel you're just making excuses, sorry.

That in mind, Matt Light and his loyalty to his teammates didn't have a problem saying this: “I never talk about other guys, but I will say I have never embraced – never believed in – anything Aaron Hernandez stood for.”

Hernandez didn't become a thug overnight. The kid was off many draft boards back in 2010, meaning much of the NFL believed he was problematic in 2009 when they scouted him, if not earlier, and in 2009 Pouncey was with Hernandez. Just as Matt Light recognizes what a POS Hernandez is and has never embraced nor believed in what he stands for, Pouncey could've done the same, and the fact he didn't should draw question marks about his character, especially now that he's openly supporting a known thug b/c there's no football law that says you have to maintain loyalty to every teammate off the field. This isn't just about supporting a friend; it's about the Pounceys' choice to become closely affiliated with this type of criminal in the first place. I played multiple sports all through school but I NEVER felt the need to become best friends with everyone on the team, nor a dedicated loyalist to them all either. You have a handful of a teammates you might become close with but that's by choice not necessity.

Supporting a criminal like they're doing makes you wonder what the Pounceys themselves might be involved in b/c typically an individual's actions are consistent with his established belief system. If you're involved in wrong doing or have formed a belief system that thug life is acceptable you're likely to support or protest the freedom of a douche bag like Hernandez b/c it's a subconscious or perhaps even conscious way to rationalize your own actions. The hats don't necessarily have to have anything to do with supporting Hernandez or showing him loyalty.

 

I'd agree with you, if AH had been convicted already...but he hasn't yet. You are very much overreacting and acting like they are in favor of a convicted criminal.

 

No ones excused what they did. Saying this isn't as bad as people are making it isn't an excuse, it's reality. Sorry you're way off on this one.

subconcious? Whats your proof of that? You think they just put on the hats without thinking? You think deep down they support murder? Do you have any proof what so ever of that? You're pretty far out there in that vein.
It was obviously a concious decision. The fact that matt light doesn't feel any sort of feelings for ah doesn't really mean anything as you also don't know their pasts together. The fact is, people have different levels of loyalty. People do feel more loyal even when they shouldn't. Teams do feed the importance of loyalty to football players, just as many on this board feel loyalty to the team, etc. There are different levels of loyalty, special to each person. That's all I was really saying. I never made an excuse or said them wearing the hats was ok, nor excusable. I am only saying it doesn't deserve the faux outrage it seems to be getting from some on this board. You're way off on your reply here.

 

Lucky, how the hell am I I overreacting, Jesse Christ their wearing the freakin hats making a mockery of the situation in the face of a premeditated murder and people mourning, it's the lowest of the low man, WTH man, this is sick dude.

 

Associated Press ran a story on it, which pretty much makes it a national story.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...pouncey-free-aaron-hernandez-apology/2518157/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...87166e-ed6d-11e2-bb32-725c8351a69e_story.html

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/sports/2013/07/15/nfl-players-wear-hat-supporting-aaron-hernandez/

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...ncey-aaron-hernandez-20130715,0,1057478.story

 

Yes, if we could look deeper into AH as a person like the Pounceys can, we might see AH is a really cool guy and most likely an innocent victim of circumstance. How dumb does that sound? If the P Bros. are that blind than they are either dumb as rocks, or are possibly cut from the same cloth. Either way its disturbing to me.

The only explanation that would lessen the seriousness of it somewhat (from my viewpoint) is if friends had printed them as a gag knowing they had a previous relationship with him and were busting their balls. Anyway you look at it, it's stupid of them to flaunt those hats in public.

This reaction from me personally has nothing to do with boredom.

 

Just about every one on this planet thinks that they're a good person and does whatever they can to rationalize their actions regardless of what type of person they really are. Some terrible people do some wonderfully charitable things. Does that mean I should I now embrace all the big time drug kings who pollute our streets, turn kids into dealers, and kill innocent people just b/c he donates a nice chunk of money to inner city kids, buys new computers & sports equipment for school, and furnishes them with a new football field and park with basketball courts? I'm not saying the Pounceys are drug kings, but I am saying that doing good doesn't necessarily make you a good person.

 

Think about it.

Don't you think they probably think AH is innocent? If they think he's innocent, then they aren't mocking anything. If that is what they are thinking, then at worst they misjudged AH's innocence based on the fact they roomed with him at one point.

You are absolutely, unequivocally overreacting.

 

Sure, whatever.

The only offense the Pounceys may have committed is being wrong about AH's innocence. But its not like they are randomly backing a convicted killer, they are backing a person they know personally...who hasn't been convicted yet. This isn't an unforgivable offense on their part, and yes, we are all bored and that's why this has gotten equal traction to CKap wearing a Dolphin hat.

People are excited for the first time in awhile and the waiting is making them jittery.

 

people make stupid jokes all the time about sensitive situations. People feel loyalty all the time to people they shouldn't. Whichever reason you think they did it for, its wrong of them to do so, yes. It doesn't make it the lowest of the low.

 

Yeah, well that's a trick statement isn't it?

If there is an activity that warrants the killing, it's no longer premeditated murder but justifiable homicide or at worst, involuntary manslaughter.

 

Who are you to say he is overreacting on this matter? I don't think that's for you to say. This story pisses me right off as well.

I have serious concerns about Mikes character if he's so close to Hernandez he feels the need to wear such an outlandish hat in public. He is at the very least dumb.

 

..and what about the double homicide of Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado in Boston that Hernandez is now linked to? Did those two cleaning workers whom police said had no criminal ties deserve to die, too?

 

You think because they gave each other tattoos at nite in their dorm room they can't put two and two together, if they think he's innocent from the same stuff we know, than their borderline MR. and if they do, have some fu@9in class and not get all gangster with it..their classless fu&$in idiots anyway you spin it..

 

...and the weapons charges that are open & shut and meriting of jail time all by their lonesome? Throw the Odin murder out the window and the Pounceys are still protesting the freedom of a thug with a known problematic history who's jailed on 5 counts of weapons charges and is linked to a 2012 double murder of 2 men he got into a fight with.

 

The not convicted part of that is BS. Yes they are backing a "friend" and that's another mark against the Pounceys. If they can't read through the evidence all the while knowing AH with his sh*tty past and put 2 and 2 together, than they are idiots.

I'm not gonna say its an unforgivable offense, but Mike definitely needs to have a long, long talk with the Miami Dolphins if he wants to be a part of this team.

I can't remember making a post in the CKap thread. Don't even think I read the whole first page.

 

While guilt very well may be the case here, it has not been rendered yet. And the Pounceys were teammates at Florida with Hernandez. However, I don't think this was a very smart decision and there are better ways to support folks than wearing a hat like that. All in all, not a smart move on many fronts. But I don't criticize folks for supporting their friends through thick and thin. Easy to be fair weather. However, the method here wasn't wise or sensitive to the situation.

 

psychology 101?

That doesn't make it ok to choose to become loyal to a POS thug like this who was perceived as a problem dating back to his UF days. That's the whole point. What's worse than wearing these hats is making the choice to become loyal to this type of loser to begin with b/c football certainly didn't force them to do so. How do you not understand this WADR? If this is a "teammate thing" as you're professing then why don't we see the most loyal of them all, Tebow, or other Gators wearing Free Hernandez hats or openly protesting his freedom?

 

Psychologists use proof.

from most of what I read back in the day ah fought people and hung out with the wrong people. He wasn't really what I'd call a thug.
And again you missed what I said or are willfully ignoring it. I again said, some people, that means not all, a subset of people, feel loyalty beyond what others would. Some people, a subset of people, may be closer or not as close to ah. Again, I did not cite solely, them being team mates as the only reason they are/could be loyal to him. How are you not getting this is what you should be asking yourself, and then maybe do a little psychology on yourself.

 

no, scientists use proof. Psychologists form well educated opinions.

No, I understand that completely but that doesn't make them loyal to EVERYONE. They still make choices about whom to give that loyalty to, and in this case you have to significantly question their choice to give that loyalty to Hernandez b/c it was obviously not forced upon them.

So let me ask you, if I choose to start hanging out with a known rapist are you gonna justify me supporting him b/c I'm now friends with the guy and loyal to him b/c of it, or are you gonna question why the f*** I'm choosing to be friends with a rapist to begin with?

 

/clap

 

are you saying ah was murdering back at uf and the pounceys knew about it? Because that would make your comparison apt. From what I know, we know he got into fights. We now know he might have killed someone when at UF. We don't know if the pounceys were involved at all.
As for them making the choice to be loyal, no one has said they didn't. Just that it's not as horrible as people are making it seem. Such as calling it the lowest of the low as deej has. It's stupid, yes. It's wrong, yes. Now if it turned out the pounceys knew he was a murderer, then yes obviously there is way more going on there and they are scumbags.

 

Just because he hadn't murdered anyone yet (or they didn't know about it) doesn't mean he wasn't a punk *** thug that they should have stayed clear from. You choose the company of those you relate with.

 

Yes, it was bad form and lacking judgement. Yes, it's bad for their respective teams.
Yes, they can have shown their loyalty differently, although them going to see AH would have been worse IMO.
Yes, some people are just that damn loyal to the point it makes no sense. Just as some people are so loyal to the dolphins they would fight people from other teams over it. I'm not that loyal to the dolphins, some people are as some people have just that much loyalty. Is it a good thing? No, not IMO. But, all you can hope is that the pounceys learn to reign in their loyalty or in the case of it being a joke, not make their sick jokes public. Again no one is saying they weren't wrong. Just that it's not as deserving of hte reaction its getting on here.

 

sure. But, again, from what I've read, he was known to fight and smoke weed. AT that age that makes him like half my friends. That doesn't make my friends murderers. I could be missing something, or there could be more to the story, but at the moment that is what is known. For all we know the pounceys might have fought and smoked weed with him. Does that make them capable of murder in your opinion? It doesn't in mine.

 

Deserve to die....lol....you're really something.

Pouncey #1 apologized. Next one coming right up. There. Case closed. He's still our pro bowl center. Dont like it, dont buy his jersey. Let's hope he realizes why people made a big fuss about this and matures.

 

There are about 8 of us really having this discussion, and noticve that 2 out of those are directly affected by Pouncey's behavior and have decided to not purchase Dolphins merchandise.

Multiply by fan base = $XXX,XXX

If Ross and Ireland keep you, do we get a six figure discount on your extension, Pouncey?

 

It's not the hat. That's like saying someone who catches their kid lying to them over a vocab quiz is really upset about a vocab quiz.


It's what it says about the person's character that is concerning.

 

The bolded is exactly what is being raised, I agree. However, it is in the team's best interest, as a business, to have people as emotionally invested as possible. Th more a person unites their own feelings, and identity, with the team and players, the more they tend to spend on that team. So, in essence, the business of sports encourages rabid fandom. Personally, I never used to own or buy jerseys, for example, because I didn't mesh my identity that strongly with the team despite loving to root for them. At some point that changed.. for me it was the Cam Cameron season, when I had a gut check and realized that for better or worse I was 'in love' with this team. I bought a Ronnie Brown jersey the year of the wildcat (but never owre it. again, it's not my thing, really).

Now, for a guy with like, 40,000 posts on a Dolphins messages board over the last few years, to say I still didn;t feel like I was 'part of' this group identity enough to get a jersey says something. It says even more, however, that this offseason, after all the moves the Coaches and Front Office have made I felt such a high level of conviction about the direction and philosophy of this team that I decided to get one of the Nike Elite slim fitting jerseys for around $200. I wanted to be, and felt good being, a part of 'this thing' going on with the Dolphins right now.

But I have to admit that even the Pouncey thing has cooled me a bit on it. Now I probably still will get the jersey, but I find myself questioning why and whether to get one. It entered a bit of doubt in my mind where there was unqualified excitement and support before (heck, I'd even gone from hating Ireland to being very impressed with how he has evolved!). It feels like I was on a date that was going well, and leading to a kiss, then right near the end the person did something that threw me just a little bit off... and I still kind of want the kiss, but... well, that's just it, there's a "but" floating out there now.

Anyways, this will blow over. Keep in mind this is the SLOWEST period for NFL news all year long. The moment training camps start this will be 90% forgotten by 90% of the people.

But it's that other 10% that is unfortunate, and didn;t need to happen.

 

There were also gang related concerns with him from what I understand. Did your friends take pictures flashing guns in the mirror? All those things you can argue as innocent in of themselves. You have to use your common sense and discernment.

I also have friends who like to hang out and get drunk at bars, fight, drive home drunk, and smoke weed like crazy. That doesn't mean they are capable of MURDER. I distanced myself from them when I realized they weren't the type of people I wanted to be associated with because I run a business and I wanted to get married to a respectable person in society. I'm not perfect but I feel like those decisions have paid off and protected me from getting into trouble. I still talk to some of them but suffice to say if they kill someone in an accident I won't deny the possibility that it happened and I definitly won't invest in printed hats demanding their freedom.

 

Except a multi-million dollar business is not predicated solely on a massive amount of mainstream people feeling strong positive love and support for the team she is on, and he as an individual who there are even T-shirts on sale of, with her name on the back.