**The Official 2012-13 NBA Thread**

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  1. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  2. adamprez2003

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    You think the knicks are going to be better than the nets next year?
     
  3. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Without a doubt. The Nets are old and frail. Getting pierce and KG helps but they have no depth and when someone gets hurt (as someone always does) theyre going to struggle. I also think their best scorer right now still happens to be a PG who should be distributing. Iso Joe is a ball stopper. Pierce is a money clutch shot maker but Im just not sold on how effective he and KG will be without Doc (who imo is an elite coach)
     
  4. Ludacris

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    I can understand the Bargnani trade because they want to extend their formula by attacking from beyond the arc. The Spurs solidified that method. They got rid of Novak but they drafted Hardaway who's a good 3 point shooter also. Knicks will get plenty of shooting options. Bargnani could be decent supplement to their offence as he won't be the go to guy. He's lack of rebounding output is a heavy concern though.
     
  5. adamprez2003

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    They were one of the youngest teams in the league last year. How did they become old and frail. You think Garnett, Pierce and Terry are all going to be injured by the playoffs? If even one of them stays healthy we're a better team and in all likelihood all three will be around since I'm pretty sure Kidd is going to keep them nice and rested during the regular season. Old and slow might be a better complaint. I definitely see them slowing up but the improvement in defense and offense should easily make up for it. the depth might end up being better if we get korver. We're resigning blatche. getting a backup PG like livingston should be easy. we really only need a wing defender. that we probably wont get

    plus we signed lawrence frank to be assistant coach to kidd. he was the coach that took that overachieving kidd led nets team to the championships several years ago. he studied under bobby knight and has ties to KG and pierce since he was a celtics assistant coach. frank is the insurance if kidd flames out
     
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  6. Boik14

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    Completely agree. Hes got to around 7. With melo around 7 and Tyson around 10 its tolerable. But on the brightside if JR is still there then there should be plenty of rebounds to grab :lol:
     
  7. Boik14

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    They traded away Brooks in that deal who is young, they lost CJ watson to FA who is young. They added two of the oldest players in the league in Pierce and KG and Terry is no spring chicken. You did get better but so did NYK. Watson is a better player then Livingston and Watson for some reason kills chalmers.

    Wing defenders did you no good last year anyway. Melo averaged like 35 a game vs the Nets last year. Wallace was sick of him at one point. :)
     
  8. adamprez2003

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    they unloaded wallace's contract. in two years we're freespending again after kg, pierce and terry all retire. if you want a bad trade its getting rid of niedderreiter for clutterbuck
     
  9. Boik14

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    3 things:
    1. If you think you have only 2 years before youre free-spending think again. 15-16 you have 26M committed to Johnson and Williams and a 17M player option on Lopez that hes only going to decline if he thinks he will get more. So 17+46 is 63...guess what youre capped out before you even have a starting lineup. 16-17 you have just Deron on the books at 21M. And this isnt including draft pick salaries. The summer of 15 is going to be the summer of sidelines for the nyets. I know they unloaded Wallace's contract; I was stating that hes a good defender and if he couldnt handle Melo Im curious to see who on that team is going to do so?
    2. If you think Lawrence Frank is still a good coach, thats just crazy talk. He was a reason they didnt win a chip, not a reason they got there. You have 3 all stars and 1 all time great PG and he got outcoached.
    3. Agree on El nino but hes been complaining for 2 years now that he wanted out. Now he can kick rocks in Minnesota. He couldnt get off the Isles 4th line when they were awful and he thinks he deserves to be in the top 6 forwards? While NYI undervalued him no one was willing to pay more and Snow wanted to cut his losses I guess. No one likes a malcontent.
     
  10. adamprez2003

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    how are we capped out? we have a russian owner who is breaking records on spending. **** the luxury tax. we are close to 200 million this year lol. in two years we will have less salary on the books because of the wallace savings and we will spend freely again. the nets should move to brighton beach and they should sell caviar and vodka at the games and have russian hookers dance at halftime. he bought the team for 250 and its now worth 750.

    no way we shouldve won with kidd and carter. i was amazed we even made it to the finals and no way we were beating the lakers

    what 20 year isnt a malcontent who thinks he's god gift to the world? w shouldve had more patience
     
  11. Fin-Omenal

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    Your not adding the KG and Peirce of yesteryear...

    That's like Knicks fans who got a chubby when we signed J. Kidd last year. Decent signings, but IMO no way does that make them a top 4 team in the east.
     
  12. Stringer Bell

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    Not a fan. Guy is a loser.

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  13. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Yeah. I love the talent but I don't think his attitude is right for this team. Greg Oden may have powder for kneecaps but at least you know his work ethic is solid.
     
  14. schmolioot

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    Except for that championship he won.
     
  15. adamprez2003

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    No but its an upgrade over who we gave up. They are top 3 in the east with the signings as of now IMO.
     
  16. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Don't see the Nets as better than the Bulls or the Pacers. Neck and neck with the Knicks.
     
  17. Boik14

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    How are you capped out? The NBA cap is around 58M. They allow you to go to 68 or 69 without penalty but youre restricted from signing FA's to do that, its pretty much for resigning your own players. At 73 its a hard cap and youre in luxury tax territory. In 15-16 you have 46M committed between 2 players. You have Lopez with a player option for 17M. He picks up that option and youre capped out from signing other players for more then your mid level exception and vet min deal. And that doesnt even include any draft picks you add to the roster between now and 15-16. Your best bet is to see if you can find a taker for Deron because I doubt anyone is taking Joe Johnson's contract. You may be able to spend freely in terms of what prokorov will take on salary wise but in terms of NBA restrictions you wont.

    Talent wise I felt the Nets were on par with LA except in the paint vs Shaq. But I also felt you could have done more vs the Spurs. 3 straight chances? Thats Bills-like.

    I disagree on Nino....most 20 year olds are just happy to be at the professional level. That clown just wanted to complain. He did less than nothing during his chance on Long Island with a -30 or whatever +/- and little hustle and grit. He was one of the worst players on a team that was the 4th worst in the league that year. He can kick rocks. Enjoy Nashville kid. Maybe we could have waited to see if he rebuilt his value but its also possible that after his slump in the 2nd half of last year the offers would have only gotten worse. And hes an RFA after 2014 to boot so its coming time to pay him.
     
  18. Stringer Bell

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    Teams win championships, not players.
     
  19. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Tell that to the Michael Jordan/Bulls fans living in the 90's...
     
  20. schmolioot

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    You stated he was a loser, yet he was a key player on a team that won a championship. Ergo, how can he be a loser?

    He certainly was not the main guy, nor would he be the main guy here.

    All I know is that when the guy was healthy he produced at an all star level and he has been far healthier than Oden, and for the same price between them I'm taking Bynum.

    If we have an opportunity to get a player of that caliber for an extreme dscount you have to take it. We are trying to 3 peat and ensure that LBJ stays here. It's worth the risk. And if he's injured and can't play then so be it. We won it wothout a center.
     
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  21. Stringer Bell

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    The guy is not healthy, and never plays through injury. Could you imagine him gutting it out like Wade or Mike Miller? Heat would be much better served using the MLE on other guys IMO.
     
  22. Boik14

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    That maybe true but you cant teach talent or 7 feet. When theres both in 1 player you take the chance. And if you dont want to Ill hope my Knicks have enough of a brain to do so. Because when hes healthy hes 1 of the 2 best C's in the league.
     
  23. schmolioot

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    Well, I don't know. I wouldn't have imagined Derrick Rose to be the type who would voluntarily sit our rather than play for a mediocre team, but yet it happened.

    If there were some other player that was worth the MMLE then great, but there isn't, and we have one weakness on this team that Bynum would undoubtedly solve if healthy. I'm not looking 5 years down the road with Bynum. I'm looking at next year. By this time next year I want two things; a threepeat and LBJ's signature on a new 5 year deal.

    Whatever needs to be done to accomplish those things I am doing
     
  24. Fin-Omenal

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    Great comparison. .:cool:

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  25. Boik14

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    Knicks notes:
    - Pacers and Nuggets after Copeland
    - The Knicks have reached out to at least four veteran PGs since free agency began on Monday -- Devin Harris, Aaron Brooks, Will Bynum and Sebastian Telfair
    - Knicks are preparing offer for Elton Brand
    - Knicks are leaning towards limiting Stoudemire to 20 MPG and sitting him on the 2nd half of back to backs (hence Brand)
     
  26. Stringer Bell

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    I love how everything is prefaced with "if he's healthy". The guy is 24 years old, with two bad knees. He doesn't work hard. He doesn't play through injury. What exactly are the odds that he's playing for anyone in May/June?

    Not to mention that he's not even a good defender. Even if he is healthy, he's not what this team needs. Miami would be better off getting someone like Samuel Dalembert.
     
  27. Stringer Bell

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    Right, and I don't think Andrew Bynum is helping achieve those goals. The Miami Heat just won back to back titles. They should be building to their strengths, not trying to match the Pacer's style of play.
     
  28. Boik14

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    Depends on how you view things. I will always gamble on the player with the ability to be great rather then settle for mediocrity. Bynum has played through injury for a lot of the last 2 years prior to last year. Philly docs messed up and made things worse. His weight can be an issue but hes not Eddy Curry like you make him out to be.
     
  29. Fin-Omenal

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    Dude never plays and costs over 15M...

    We have a similar player on the roster already.

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  30. Boik14

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    Hes younger then Amare, he plays defense better then Amare, and he wouldnt command nearly what Amare is making. We're playing to contend now but also for the summer of 15. Why not see if we can have a big piece in place?
     
  31. schmolioot

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    Andrew Bynum is a good team defender/rim protector which is what we need.

    It's not about changing our style. We could still play pace and space with Bynum. Part of the reason we had such a tough time with Indy was just that Bosh and Battier espescially were just worn down from an entire season battling bigger/stronger guys. Battier played David West great in 2012 when he was forced into that role beause he was fresh.

    If you get Bynum, not only do you get his offense around the rim, but you save Bosh and battier from the months of pounding. Even if you go small more often in the playoffs depending on the matchup he can still help you. And again he's a much better offensive player than a guy like dalembert who is also a malcontent by the way.
     
  32. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Nope. That was Byron Scott.

    Lawrence Frank is a pretty ****ty coach.
     
  33. Stringer Bell

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    His feet are way too slow. He is bad defending the pick and roll. Go watch the series against Thunder when he was with the Lakers, he got torched.
     
  34. Section126

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    If the Heat only need to tie up one roster spot for one year to get Bynum....you do it.

    it will be a trial period for him to try to get himself a deal to go further.
     
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    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    some people are pretending that Andrew Bynum when last seen didn't average 19 and 12.
     
  36. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Again, you're worried about one potential series next June. I'm worried about 6 months of pounding on Bosh and Battier.

    In the playoffs, you do what you need to do in any particular game or series which Spo has shown he will do.
     
  37. schmolioot

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    And he did play hard/care when he was around Phil and Kobe.

    He needs strong personalities around him, which we have. But we also have a very accepting locker room. We can handle Bynum.
     
  38. Section126

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    As for Heat fans that want Oden....

    Remember that the Heat are not keen on holding up roster spots for projects. In fact, they are downright impatient when it comes down to it. I doubt they offer anything more than a 1 year deal, and that could hurt their chances in a Oden chase. I am sure Oden wants a player option for a 2nd year.
     
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  39. Stringer Bell

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    LOL I have a hard time believing Andrew Bynum is going to be able to play in 6 month spurts.
     
  40. schmolioot

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    He started 60 of 66 games in his last season and the entire playoffs.
     

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