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E3 2013

Discussion in 'Gaming Forum' started by Desides, Jun 9, 2013.

  1. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah, but would you agree this looks TOTALLY different? This is not turn-based whatsoever, or at least that's what it seems like. That looks like an action-RPG.

    [video=youtube;LBilT83Uq4A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LBilT83Uq4A[/video]
     
  2. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    People said the exact same thing about Final Fantasy XIII prior to playing it.

    And there's still a visible menu in the trailers. Look in the lower left; the player is selecting the attack command and using a sliding scale to switch weapons.

    I think most will be satisfied as long as there's free movement and no battle sequences that are separate from the world map.
     
  3. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I think most people will be satisfied as long as it doesnt take another 6 ****ing years to make.
     
  4. SICK

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    My ps3 died tonight in the middle of a team deathmatch battle on COD. I am sad. I am mourning. That was my trade in for ps4. This sucks.
     
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  5. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I still have my old fat PS3 with backwards compatibility that I got in a bundle with MGS4. Make me an offer? :shifty:
     
  6. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    $5 and some rep on thephins. I am the 2nd most poster. It's worth a lot. You're welcome. Pm me your address to send the money. :shifty:
     
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  7. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    I can't speak for Sony but the 360 is run by casual gamers or little kids with nothing better to do. A few hardcore gamers exist that play Madden or Halo or COD. But nothing remotely comparable to the overall competitiveness and dedication of PC gamers especially with MMOs and games like Starcraft and Diablo.

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  8. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    I am getting a kick out of idiotic comments where someone chews MS out over the used game policy in one breath and then write off a 360 exclusive because they can play it on PC who wrote the book on one copy...one player.

    Oh the idiots lol.

    By the way....anyone see that indie game Strike Vendor. 4 indie debs might just have my #1 wanted game.....if they pull it off.
     
  9. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Hey, I'm not complaining. That menu could more or less be a HUD for all we know, the only reason for pause was this game wasn't originally developed to be a true sequel. Now it is.

    Looks awesome though.
     
  10. Jt0323

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    one thing is cool is that you can watch Netflix, Hulu, MLB.tv and get updates to games for free without PS+. Man Microsoft dropped the ball imo big time. They did such a bad job, that Sony announced that you need to pay to play online and no one even cared.
     
  11. Jt0323

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    Every day Sick takes rep away from the poster with the most rep so he could soon be number 1.
     
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  12. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Well after talking with the roommate he is going Xbox One once Halo comes out. I also found out I have over $400 sitting around in my vacation bank so I am not concerned about the price anymore.

    So first July pay I will be putting in an Xbox pre-order and then grab a PS4 in the summer 2014 after we are done with PC ESO. Why not the other way around? Cash flow for the more expensive in July (plus I think by July ps4 will be sold out).

    Basically we came to the decision its all about the games. This way we have access to all exclusives....and if that new family plan is true...we can take advantage. Plus all the restrictions just don't apply to us. We are always connected here. Were not used game guys...and a family plan let's us share. Plus which publisher will really use the used system knowing the backlash?

    History has always shown the internet backlash means crap and is always forgotten.

    So by next summer we will have 2 Xbones and a ps4 along with our PC's. Myself....both played on my new 55" Sony Bravia. And hopefully my PC can squeeze out its life till 2015.

    Launch I am thinking Dead Rising 3 and Watch Dogs. If Watch Dogs slides to January then I will take a shot with Ryze. Those + South Park on the 360 should keep me busy till AC4 and some of the other titles come out.
     
  13. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I need more bags of chips and used chewing gum. :shifty:

    Rule of thumb: if you aren't sure, the answer is no. What are your specs?
     
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  14. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I pre-ordered one at Best Buy and one at GameStop......I aint playing games I want one. Not falling for the "heyyyyyyyy sorry but they only sent us 9 and we accepted 10 pre-order request"........

    Eh worse comes to worse I will sell it here for face value....
     
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  15. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    I meant more along the lines of keeping it alive without expensive repairs. I have a habit of burning out parts in glorious fashion.

    Heh...christ I didn't even notice I got auto corrected there. The game I'm talking about is STRIKE VECTOR ;p

    [video=youtube;4-eR8-SdFsw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-eR8-SdFsw[/video]
     
  16. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG]
     
  17. Stitches

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    I got them pre-ordered at Best Buy and Amazon. I have the launch day editions secured on amazon, but 6 or 18 months no interest from Best Buy would be nice too, except I'd have to pay tax.
     
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  18. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    yes they got launch day edition pre-orders and standard ones via amazon now......

    too funny about us getting 2 though, great minds think alike!!
     
  19. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    I feel like Amazon is probably the best bet. There was a pic of a rep from Best Buy telling people that preordering the PS4 does not guarantee one on launch day and that more realistically you wouldn't receive until a month or so later.
     
  20. daphins

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    Wtf is launch vs. standard? Launch says unavailable. I pre-ordered 15 min. After they wrapped up their presentation at E3. Which edition do I have?
     
  21. daphins

    daphins A-Style

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    NM, I checked. It defaulted me to launch version.

    Also, now offering launch version for sale at $999.99 with $100 shipping...

    :P
     
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  22. daphins

    daphins A-Style

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    Has Sony announces an official release date? I know amazon says Dec. 31st, but I never heard a specific date, and that's a bad time to release a console (misses Christmas)
     
  23. brandon27

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    I've been an Xbox gamer since the original. My brother got one way back when, and him and I played Halo and Madden/NCAA alot. I eventually bought my own, then a 360. Basically just because I got used to it, it worked well for me, and I enjoyed playing through the Halo campaigns over the years. Now, im sitting here, really not sure what I'm going to do. This afternoon, I had pretty much committed myself to a PS4.

    However, now im thinking XB1 may not be that bad for me afterall. The online crap won't bother me, its stupid, no doubt, but my 360 is always online now as it is. It's the used game crap that kills me.

    So let me get this right... If I buy Madden, or NCAA, or NHL as I do every year, that disc is essentially mine, forever because I can't go and trade in the old one, before the new one comes out as I've always done right? Id assume because of MS's stupid used game policy, I'm stuck with it and I can't trade it in.

    As much as I'd like to get an XB1 just to carry on with it, and continue to play the Halo series as it rolls on... If I can't sell these games back at all... then It's stupid for me to get an Xbox again... it's got to be PS4 for me.

    Im assuming I've understood this stupid BS new policy from MS right?
     
  24. VanDolPhan

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    In reality with the backlash I expect things to chill out on that front. While Sony didn't directly build a system internally like MS did to help publishers....it's widely expected that 3rd party publishers will keep uniform policies across both systems. In house titles were already confirmed to not be using such...it was meant to help publishers.
     
  25. brandon27

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    Personally, I still think we see Microsoft back off and make changes before everything gets released because of the backlash. Personally I dont see myself buying one of these next gen systems until next summer probably. As I mentioned, im not huge into gaming anymore. Just the annual sports games usually. So with all of this years games coming out on the current gen, I have no need really for the next gen systems until next years games.

    As I mentioned though, If I cant buy the annual sports games for 60, then trade them in when im bored of them for 20-25 or whatever they're worth at the time, then I don't think the XB1 is going to be for me.

    Of course I say i wont buy till the summer now... but my guess is if I can get my paws on one in December, I likely will. :lol:
     
  26. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    December 31 is a placeholder by Amazon.
     
  27. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Handy chart for you all as to what is going where and the total # of games + Exclusives:

    [​IMG]
     
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  28. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I'm a little surprised that The Division isn't coming to PC.
     
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  29. dolfan32323

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    Me too. Maybe it will be like GTAIV where it comes to PC at a (much) later date.
     
  30. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    It could just be that there isn't the budget or the desire for it. I know some dev teams just hate dealing with the PC and it's nightmare of QA testing across loads of hardware.
     
  31. Deus ex dolphin

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    I have not owned a Sony console since the original Playstation, I went from that to a Dreamcast, then Xbox and Xbox 360. I put a preorder in for a PS4 after the Sony conference at E3.


    That bolded part is what annoys me most. You don't OWN the game, you are leasing the right to play it. Once MS shuts down the Xbox One servers, your system will stop playing ANY of your games after 24 hours. The system becomes a brick. Why would I want to invest in that? If the Xbox One hit a really low price point in 4-5 years (say $149) I would be tempted to get one and play some exclusive games I've missed out on. However, since the system is starting at $499, I don't see it ever hitting $149 or lower before MS decides to kill it off (like they did with the first Xbox) and roll out another system. This is assuming Xbox One struggles badly during this upcoming console generation versus the PS4.
     
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  32. VanDolPhan

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    See this is the type of stuff that kills me. It's not going to struggle. This is the SAME exact gnashing the internet did before the 360 when MS said it was only going to support broadband. See how that turned out? Lets not be naive here. Both MS and Sony are also moving towards cloud computing games. A certain portion of games 10-15-20 years down the road probably won't work because the games will be looking for that cloud. But really those who try to play old games 10 years later are a very small minority. Chances are they will only support those servers for so long. Beyond that though unless you got a magic 8ball there isn't a person alive on this planet who can tell how things will be then. Hell for all we know once the hackers have broke through and the piracy starts.......they'll ease up on that daily connection (which again still isn't set in stone).

    Another example was all the whining about backwards compatibility last gen. Sony and MS spent millions upon millions to deal with that...and really it was more PR then reality as less then 1 in 10 ever bothered with it and was eventually dropped by both.

    The one thing that Sony truly has over MS is the price. That is a legitimate tangible thing to hold onto cause folks only have so much cash.

    Rule of thumb. Always make your decisions based off exclusives and price if you can't afford both........cause the rest is usually a non issue after launch and the world moves on.
     
  33. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    I don't think you understand the implementation of the cloud in gaming.

    Microsoft is not using a cloud to run or provide games. Sony is using a cloud to stream games in place of providing backwards compatibility. Those games are run in the cloud and streamed over the internet to you--this is what Gaikai is. There is no such thing as "the games will be looking for that cloud". The games are already in the cloud. They don't need to look for anything. The only requirement to play that game is that there is a cloud service available to run them. You log in, you have a list of games, you pick one, the server fires it up, and then streams it to you.

    In contrast, services like Steam and Origin on the PC don't use a cloud; you download the game files from their servers to your PC, log in to your account, and run the games off your PC. Xbox Live on the 360 does this as well, as does the PS Store on PS3. This is the opposite of the cloud.
     
  34. VanDolPhan

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    Err have you not been following MS's pimping of the cloud or Forza 5?

    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/...s-more-processing-power-from-cloud-computing/

    http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/11/4420778/forza-motorsport-5-preview-e3-2013-drivatar-cloud

    I am wondering how the game will react if it can't reach the cloud network at all. This is just the start of what they will be doing. My question is..over a long period of time...how does the game act without that connection?

    Sony is also getting in on it: http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/12/4424022/sony-shuhei-yoshida-says-ps4-cloud-computing-calculations
     
  35. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    We're talking strictly about game availability and acquisition, library maintenance, and long-term storage. Physics processing has nothing to do with that.
     
  36. VanDolPhan

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    You might have been...but I was responding to a point on MS eventually turning off servers and the once a day check (which I doubt the once a day check would even be an issue then) and pointing out that if more and more games are using cloud services the once a day check would be the much smaller issue.
     
  37. Desides

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    Then you missed the point you were replying to. The concern about turning off the servers is that after the next 24 hours, you become unable to play your entire Xbox One library. The absence of cloud processing just means that the effects will be absent from the games. PCs have done this for years; if your graphics card doesn't support something, the game falls back to a lesser option. There is nothing at all concerning about cloud processing servers going away. The concern in the post you were replying to was the entire console's library becoming inaccessible once Microsoft turns off their Xbox One servers. That is a legitimate concern.
     
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    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Without knowing the numbers, 366% isn't necessarily consumers going crazy. It's still only 50th on the list they're citing. Plus, they're using Amazon UK which is likely a much smaller marketplace than US amazon for example.
     
  40. VanDolPhan

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    Except were in a very infantile stage of cloud computing and more and more games are starting to rely on an online connection. Sooner or later that isn't going to be true at all. Where as the once a day connection can easily be patched just like Steam promised if they ever go under they'll patch out the DRM and all games that don't require being online will be that persons. The fear mongering is getting to epic proportions online. Once hackers have busted through the protection and the consoles reach their usual stage of modders etc....MS won't have any reason to continue on. They'll have to remove it just to not give folks that extra incentive to move to a modded system. So lets hope that hackers get through it faster then they did the PS3.

    As it is MS is already showing signs of backing down: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license (examples:)

    -Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.
    -Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.
    (This I would like to hear more info on........does this mean you and your family member can play the same game together at the same time...bypassing the need for 2 copies?? At the very least this should mean me and my roommate can split most of our game purchases)
    -Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once. (Well at least you can still give away your game to a friend...it just can't go on and on. The interesting thing here is....this means downloaded games can be transferred).

    Now here's the thing they need to explain further:
    -Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

    ^^That's a lot different from the internet screaming right now that you can share games with friends or sell your games.

    They should come out and state that they won't block used sales period....just use authorized re-sellers so the developer can get a cut. Or allow folks to buy/sell online on Live to cut out Gamestops rip offs. So those that blaze through a new game in a week can get a better offer then half the price that Gamestop gives now and the dev can still get a cut.
     

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