Dolphins new bid for hosting a super bowl....

What was the dollar amount your study put on it??? A third of what the NFL promises is still around $150M. Thats a steal if the county is only paying $289M.

 

After hosting 3 in 11 years, we've been shut out for basically 10 years.

 

If you are going to have to build or renovate a new stadium sooner or later (30 year lifecycle)...why not do it when you can get the most return on your investment? Every stadium gets public funding....the new stadium (Whenever it is agreed upon) will likely have the same. The fact that we can still get Super Bowls doesn't change the fact that the stadium still needs the renovations. Whether its Steve Ross....or a new owner....or a move out of Miami-Dade....a new stadium (or overhaul) is required....public funding will be a part of it. What's going to happen next is, it's not even going to go to a public referendum, but some commission is going to just vote to give Dolphins the loan out of general tax revenue and you're right back in the cooker.

 

How's it feel south Florida, you get nothing, and more nothing, dumass politicians, and ignorant residents have no clue the many positive derivative angles that hosting superbowls brings to the region..just plain dumb..

 

Deej, you can't blame the people, they never had a chance to vote on it.

 

My guess DJ is that these decisions bring nothing more than yawns. We've lived just fine without the Super Bowl in the eyars since we've ahd it and we'll live just fine in the near future.

Let me ask you two questions:

!) Where do you live? (just generally)
2) Please explain to me how the Super Bowl has improved the image of Detroit, Jacksonville, Indianapolis and Houston

Are you more likely to visit those cities today because you once saw their skylines during Super Bowl week? Can you describe anything for a tourist to do in any of those cities on a day the Super Bowl is not being played there, sans the Detroit casinos?

 

I think part of the flawed thinking is that the stadium renovation is required just to get Superbowls and that the stadium is "Just Fine" without the renovations. I guess that's true if you don't mind watching a Football game in a baseball park.

 

They certainly don't bring yawns from the business owners in the tourism industry of Miami-Dade. Those are the people that are losing out the most on this.

 

Have you ever been to Joe Robbie? It's a perfectly fine place to watch a game. It is not a "baseball park".

In fact, as bad as you perceive it to be for football, it was that much worse for baseball. Yet, when the Marlins were in the World Series, we packed 70,000 happy people into the place who enjoyed themselves just fine.

Not to mention the stadium just hosted a National Championship game with 73,000 attendees who all appeared to have no complaints.

I suppose that the stadium could be nicer, or better in some ways, but that doesn;t make the current version bad or unworthy.

 

They may have supported the bill, so they could charge exorbitant prices every 5-7 years and get away with it, but we've heard not a peep from them since the bill failed to make it to the floor.

Our tourism is doing just fine. Missing out on an event that comes around every 5-7 years is just not that big a deal.

 

I'm not saying the stadium is bad. It doesn't have to be bad. My home that I live in is great. Nothing wrong with my house. But if i'm going to throw a BBQ or a dinner party....I probably need to use my parents house. It's nicer. I don't think we should treat the stadium like a Honda Accord and ride it until the wheels falls off. Don't get why the stadium has to be Veterans Stadium before it's renovated/rebuilt.

 

When your Honda Accord falls apart you go out and buy a new car. You don't ask your friends and neighbors to contribute, even though your getting a new car might benefit them in some ways from time to time. And if you do that, and your friends balk, your reaction probably shouldn't be to sugegst that you might never drive them around again and that you might move away if they don't give in to your desires.

 

All the stadium really needs is the canopy. Try sitting in the north upper deck at a 1PM start in early September sometime. Everything else can be postponed. How much is the canopy? Why not stage the project?

 

How exactly do the Miami Dolphins benefit financially from a new stadium???

A better analogy would be asking why the USair and Delta don't pay for airports themselves.

 

Those voters are in Pasco County Fla, which is over 250 miles from South Florida. Some how I don't think they'll feel any shame at all, and possibly quite the opposite actually.

 

I wouldn't know. I replace my cars before they start falling apart. I'm known for always having a nice clean whip. Chicks dig nice clean whips.

 

No, South Florida voters can easily make this happen.

 

yeah but much of that "NFL Money" goes straight to companies that are located in other states, and doesn't stay locally. That part is what you are not getting. The benefit to local businesses, especially small businesses is marginal at best.

 

What is an example of these out of state businesses benefiting?

 

Again, with the silly *** blame for the citizens and politicians here that had ZERO to do with the bill dying in the State Legislature.

DJ you really can't be this dumb.

 

Then they should have ponied up the money and given it to Ross.

 

They are the ones paying for it. The taxes are being levied on their customers, and thus coming from their bottom line.

 

You're kidding right?

They benefit the same way every other team that's gotten a new stadium benefits. It both increases the value of the asset (the team) and allows for icnreased revenues from suites, club seats, etc.

Miami is literally the only city where the Super Bowl has been sued as the reason for needing a new stadium. Every other team says that they need a new stadium to increase revenue so they make more money and theoretically have more to spend on the team.

 

No they can't, and there is no groundswell for it anyways. It's a dead subject, and everyone should let it go. It does no good for the board to have a grand pissing contest.

 

Seeing as though the Falcons got approved for their new stadium with Public Funding we can probably forget about the stadium after LII as well.

 

While we're on the subject of "every other city", "every other city" is building new stadiums with public funding.

 

Well 1st off the concessionaires at the stadium. They are Levy Restaurants out of Chicago I believe. They also take care of Marlins Park too.

 

You're saying that the Miami Dolphins would be able to charge more for tickets because of the renovations??? Will they sell more seats because of renovations? I'm going to go out on a limb and say the renovations will have a negligible affect on ticket sales. Also, lets not forget that ticket sales are subject to revenue-sharing, so the Dolphins' are only getting a fraction of the negligible increase.

How much do you actually believe the renovations would increase the value of the team? There is no way the renovations increase the value of the team by more than what the team itself would spend on them. The renovations will total $400M, and the team would be spending more than that on their share of the renovations. The stadium is currently worth ~$150M. The entire value of the stadium is significantly less than what Huizenga paid to renovate the stadium.

Stadium renovations are not profitable for the team.

 

Concession contracts expires in 2015. Giving the new contract to a Miami business was part of the deal the team made with the Miami Chamber of Commerce.

 

Well I hope those people enjoy their stadium, instead of new schools, roads and extra policemen.

 

Well the city of San Francisco surely isn't paying for a stadium not inside their borders, and I don't believe they are paying for the one 60 miles south of their city either. And AT&T Park, for the Giants, was paid for 100% with private financing. And that is one of the RICHEST cities in the world.

 

THIS JUST IN: Even cities that don't have stadiums don't buy new schools, roads, and policemen.

LOL @ People thinking the reason there aren't more schools, roads, and policemen is because of stadiums and businesses. Like....if it weren't for the Atlanta Stadium 30 new schools were going to be built.

 

So which local companies were going to bid on it ?

That's why Levy got the Marlins Park job, there is no local company to do it. Maybe Burger King ? That's the only Miami-Dade company that I can think of that MIGHT be able to handle this kind of job. I'm sorry but I am not going to pay $ 10 for a sorry *** Whopper. I don't even pay for them at their stores now as it is....

 

I'm not sure why the Chamber of Commerce would require it, unless their members expressed desire for it. It would most likely be a mix of local restaurants.

 

Really 30 new schools in Atlanta because of a stadium being built ? What for the children of temporary workers that help build the stadium ? For jobs that last, what 1 ½ or 2 years ? And if you say its for jobs at the new stadium, well they are just replacing the ones that were at the old stadium, so its not a net gain of jobs at all.

 

AT&T Park is a freaking baseball stadium with one whole half cut off of it. You could buy AT&T Park with the money just for Sun Life Stadium's renovation costs!

 

Well it isn't happening, and probably won't for the next 10 years. By then POSSIBLY this area will be able to financially afford to build a stadium. But because of Marlins Park, it isn't going to happen, so just get over it already.

 

You could easily find $5-10M worth of business subsidies per year already being given out by the County that would be better used on the renovations.

 

Huh?

 

AT&T Park still was financed 100 % with private money. Busch Stadium was built with about 90% private financing.

When this area finally has industry & corporate jobs that can sustain it, it will happen. If we don't then the Dolphins will move.

Because of the way the NFL is structured media wise these days I am starting to warm up to the idea, that if they have to go somewhere else, then so be it, but as a taxpayer in Miami-Dade County I really don't think we can afford it.

I still don't get why Broward is not even being considered.....it's strange.