Report: Dolphins stadium deal looks dead

What is either "wow" or lol about what I said.

I pay a lot of money every year for season tickets and I'm fine with the stadium. Yes, it's hot. I know that before I buy the tickets. If they made the renovations I'm sure it would be great, but it's not something that I personally care about.

 

If one fan like Nasty feels this way, I can promise you many more do as well..

This only lowers and lowers your ability to try and create any type of home field advantage..advantage opponent..

 

Ahh, so then we finally admit that the renovations are for Ross's bottom line and not this Super Bowl extortion.

And yes, I do care about that stuff, but I've yet to see any evidence that having a roof will do anything to appreciably icnrease attendance if the team is not also winning or at least competetive. See the Miami Marlins for that front.

 

"There is certainly some, albeit smaller than you have told economic impact of the Super Bowl but our hotels are filled every February regardless."

It tells me all I need to know.

 

What I wrote is 100% true. The NFL Super Bowl economic impact statements are grossly overstated and the Super Bowl is played during Miami's biggest tourist season. There is some impact as you're brining more affluent tourists, but that's once every 5 years or so.

 

Huh? Did you think Ross wants to renovate the stadium out of kindness? Of course its for his bottom line. That doesn't mean that the county doesn't benefit as well. Its not a novel concept for two entities to mutually benefit.

Attendance isn't the biggest problem for the Dolphins financial state. We are talking about ~$10M worth of tickets in a season. Their debt service on previous renovations is double that.

 

And how much is that impact? Even the studies you've previously posted, stated it is $50M-$100M for every SB. And those are the harshest estimates.

 

If You don't get superbowls because of the building not getting renovated, your losing out on so much...The money, the exposure of your city, the prestige, all these things have big picture impact, these things relating to income for your city, and obviously not a concept a lot understand, not counting that your continuing to play in the worst stadium in the league as it pertains to a home field advantage, and everyone upstairs gets it besides our own fanbase.

 

DJ, this doesn't even have anything to do with the fanbase anymore. The legislature won't pass the bill. Even if the entire fanbase felt the way you did and were ready to vote on May 14th, it wouldn't matter.

 

So on the low..the city will bring in 50 to 100 mill extra every 5 years..we're asking the counties for about 150 million dollars..

Lol..

 

No idea. But I do know that when we were competetive there was no problem filling the stadium regardless of the sun or the heat. If we start out 2-0 next eyar, I guarantee the game against the Falcons will be sold out and rocking even though it will be boiling hot

 

Dolphins are asking for up to $289M. Thats the max. Thats also before any potential soccer events. I could imagine having the World Cup would be lucrative. Still seems like a great deal for the county.

 

The county has nothing to do with it. They agreed to the deal. A deal which is ILLEGAL unless and until the legislature passes a bill making it legal. If you're mad, be mad at the legislature. Or better yet, call or write your representative with your complaint about his vote if it's that important to you.

 

Don't count the World Cup for now. The earliest USA could get a WC is 2026 if they get it. Soccer friendlies and other popular yearly soccer events are very much in the mix though.

 

No, the county could absolutely get this done without the state legislature. They would just have to structure it differently. It is only going to the legislature because the current structure is so favorable to Miami-Dade.

You do bring up an important point about contacting state representatives though. Everyone in favor of this should be flooding representatives offices today before the vote.

 

Well under that premise, all new laws are illegal until they are approved into laws.

 

" there is some impact"

You use the word "some" in the context that you think it's quite a minimal thing having the worlds biggest sporting event in your town, playing at your stadium, with the worlds eyes on your city for two weeks strait.

You miss out on two superbowls, the city is losing money relative to voting yes and getting two superbowls..

I'm curious Schmoot, what type of monetary affect DO you think a Super Bowl brings to a city, rough estimate?

 

Lets not exaggerate. Superbowl is United States biggest event, not the worlds. World Cup Soccer remains the worlds biggest event. I agree on the rest though.

 

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/FileStores/Web/HouseContent/Approved/ClerksOffice/HouseDirectory.pdf

Contact info for representatives starts on page 3. Contact them and let them know how you feel.

 

Mindboggling how this number keeps getting blown off in the debate..lol...it's a simple investment oppurtunity with a simple math equation..there are some bad business men on these boards.

 

This sucks. There was a chance we play in that

 

Here is a better link:

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/sections/representatives/representatives.aspx

You can click on the rep and see their contact info.

 

My numbers and quotes have told me that out of the 375 to 400 million, that Ross is accepting the majority of the cost, so how does that equate to 289 mill, I've read and heard less than two hundred mill on many occasions.

 

People's judgement is warped from the Marlins deal. The Marlins deal was a bad one. Now everyone thinks that any deal is going to be bad.

 

Interest on the money borrowed.

 

The ceiling on the deal is $289M because the deal takes into account yearly growth. However the dolphins cannot get more than that amount, and more amount per year than what has been agreed, and the county isn't liable for shortages due to a down year in tourism.

 

We're asking legislature to add a tax in our counties...that's it..If they dont not understand the economic dynamics to having a prof franchise within your state, or how the renovations relate to getting superbowls, than their stupid as hell...probabaly when it comes to sport topic like this, they are.

 

Wow, and Sun Life/Miami Dolphins has invested a lot of money promoting this to try to get voters to vote yes on May 14. I even got a 3 page brochure on the mail 2 days ago where they're comparing the difference between this bill and the Marlins ballpark and asking residents to vote yes for Sun Life.

 

Exactly, but how does this ignorance get in the way of a no brainer investment for the city?

 

Just call it "The Bill to Renovate Sun Life Stadium"

 

Not sure on the exact name. Just say Dolphins stadium deal.

 

On the plus side Ross will gain sympathy from the fans.He showed us he was willing to pay a big part of the costs.

 

i just do not get how something like this, that is a win/win for everyone involved is having this much trouble. at least ross is trying to turn around this franchise, and trying to right the ship. really ****ty that politicians will not even give him the time of day to implement this.

 

There is barely any impact, I lost the link, it was posted on the other site, but someone did a research and compared the economic impact from our last Super Bowl vs our economy the year after when we didn't host the Super Bowl and there were no gains.