Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer reports that Carradine ran a 4.75-second 40-yard dash at a workout for NFL scouts today. That’s a good time for a defensive end in any context, but it’s particularly good for a player who had reconstructive knee surgery 135 days ago. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...e-boosts-draft-stock-with-impressive-workout/
Reedy also reported 11 teams were in attendance: Chiefs, Lions, Browns, Saints, Bengals, Vikings, Colts, Broncos, Patriots, Falcons, Niners The Dolphins were not one of them.
Chris Mortensen @mortreport 3h Florida St DE Tank Carradine, 135 days post-ACL surgery after 11 sack yr, had good private workout for teams: 4.75-4.85 in 40 at 273 lbs I don't really care for his, or Werner's games.
I think if it's true that Ireland doesn't like Rhodes or Johnson that Carradine might be a trade down option for us.
Honestly, (and this will sound Deej "bubble like) it is the way he moves. How can I put this, guys I consider elite types or could be elite, have a certain body tilt when they are getting after the passer, it's like their weight/momentum is moving forward but they retain excellent balance. Tank and Werner remind me of Matt Roth, without that sort of psychotic intensity. FWIW, this is why imo, Odie will never be a great passrusher, don't care how much weight he losses.
I think there is more than one way to skin a cat. Watt doesn't have that bend, neither did Reggie White or closer to home, Trace Armstrong. Sometimes it's players ability to get the other off balance not just blow by them with bend.
What also ran a 4.6 at 300 pds, when he went up against guys of that era he had a huge size/speed advantage, and Watt actually does, Armstrong made up for it with great snap anticipation and hand placement. And I'm not saying bend the arc, DT's have it as well, it looks like their upper body is tilted forward, at full speed, and the blocker just sort of falls off of them. It's like the OL is more or less bent, but straight up and down (to keep their balance) and the upper torso of the passrusher just bursts them off of them.
why would we need to be there to see a guy run a 40 yard dash? has nothing to do with his ability to play football or for that matter when he's going to be ready to play football on that knee.
I understand, one of the best is James Harrison at that, he does not run the arc, at least not like Wake, but always places them off balance. I feel like I see that in Caradine's game. He seems to get whoever is blocking him just off balance enough, run or pass plays to get past the blocker. Ill have to watch more of him. I'd love for him to drop but I just can't see it. If we traded back I'd take him for sure. I'm still very tempted to at 12. We need more pass rushers on this team.
Despite the idea that Ireland is suddenly becoming this revolutionary GM, I think he continues to show considerable caution with injured players. They just don't generally appear on his board early on. As annoying as we may find it, it might simply mean that Jarvis Jones, Tank Carradine, and even Dee Milliner are just not in the plans.
I agree with your analysis on Carradine..I haven't seen anything special or explosive there in terms of compact precise movement.. Wouldn't take him at 12, wouldn't move back into the late first either.
Someone said his official time was 4.9- Can anyone confirm this? What I like about Tank is he keeps his head up and aware of what is happening. He is good with his hands and knows how to play leverage. He isn't heavy footed but he isn't explosive. He wont beat guys off the snap on speed alone like Jordan but he is going to be a solid DE. Him and Wake would terrorize on the line.
Not sure on that. But I did hear that his 10-yd split was 1.63, which is really freaking good for a guy that size coming off an ACL only 4-5 months ago.
That is a really good split Dion Jordan 1.61 Ziggy Ansah 1.62 Bjoern Werner 1.67 Keke Mingo 1.57 Datone Jones 1.61
If Odrick was faster/quicker then yes you could possibly draw that comparison but Tank will be much more involved in the pass rush. Odrick just isn't quick enough to play end in the NFL. I'd like him more inside but was't Vernon more efficient inside than Odrick during the year. Maybe we could trade Odrick to a team that needs a 3-4 end?
I think you want him as a nickel DT more than the 4th round pick you'd be offered for him. Personally I'd be happy to trade Odrick straight up for Glenn Dorsey. Two players who have been played out of position and not been put in a position to succeed by their teams.
Never have liked Carradine that much as a 1st rounder (nor Werner) but do like him a lot as an early 2nd. Every one of the DEs in this draft have question marks - either in burst, athleticism or production. I am sure 1-2 will emerge but I really don't want one in the early 1st. Dion Jordan, perhaps, but don't think he'll fall and he has questions as well. I may be totally wrong but this draft - as others have indicated - does seem to hold good value between 15 and 60 and it is hard to differentiate a lot of that talent. Which is why I'd prefer to trade back in round 1 and pick up an extra 2nd/3rd. Would Really want to if we traded away a 2nd for Albert.
They arent going to learn anything about his football ability... but to learn about his injury and recovery. Looking at his movement ability and quick twitch ability 5 months removed from the injury gives them a good idea about how well he is recovering, and whether he'd be able to contribute this season, which effects his draft value. Obviously 11 teams felt they could learn from being there... That doesn't mean we WON'T draft him. But the more interest they show in him, the more likely it is that they'll draft him IMO.
I don't understand or agree with a lot of the Carradine analysis I'm reading on this thread. He is explosive. He will beat players off the snap. Carradine is one of the quickest DEs off the snap I've seen, excellent first step. Actually he and Werner are both excellent off the snap, two of the best, and Werner is a shade better in that regard imo. The laggard of the DE group as per speed, 1st step, explosiveness, etc. is Brandon Jenkins, who was replaced by Carradine when he got injured. I'm just baffled by some of what I'm reading here, including a comparison of Carradine to... Jared Odrick? I like Odrick, he's a tough run stuffing DE, but he can't touch the lighter Carradine as per pass rush, 1st step, speed, quicks, all of it as per speed rush. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZL9tSTiF3w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yp3vvzAXiE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOfp9p7Tbeg I think that he would be a slam dunk pick at #12 if not for the recent ACL injury, and it looks as if he'll still go in the 1st round despite it. He's a heck of a player and would be a nearly perfect fit for us at a need position imo, knee injury aside.
A lot of people in this thread have either not watched Carradine much or have no idea what they're looking at. Don't mean that in a detrimental way but some of the opinions are mind blowing.
I'd be comfortable with that. IMO, it looks like he has that kind of speed (4.55 range) when watching him play. Running a 4.75 five months removed from an ACL at 6'4 276lbs is pretty damn impressive IMO.
