The Mayor sets the record strait on why it's important for Miami to vote Yes..

And to be clear, I'm not saying anyone should do anything. Miami-Dade isn't obligated to do anything for the Dolphins. At the same time, there are dozens of cities in this country that have shown a willingness to do so. Neither side has an obligation to each other.

 

Yet Jax draws more fans to the stadium, and more viewers on TV.

 

So why does the public need to be involved at all ? That question needs to be answered satisfactorily. If its because Ross doesn't have the cash available, then tell him to sell some of his real estate and pay for it himself or go get a line of credit for it.

This is not something we need to be involved in.

 

Conversely, the NFL is not something Miami-Dade needs to be involved in.

If I'm an NFL owner and it comes down to either A) sell my personal assets or B) re-locate and get $500M, I'm taking the latter.

 

Well we won't get 50, that is 100% going to San Francisco. Having two so close together here I think hurts our chances no matter what. I think Houston is our main competitor for 51.

 

I think Stringer has stated that, with the caveat that in a lot of other somewhat similar situations, citizens have gotten involved and "helped" their team. It just seems he wants people to gets the facts straight on what this request entails, and meanwhile he has helped people that don't even live in Florida (me) understand what it entails a lot more clearly.

 

In other words he just does it himself. Which is what he should be doing already.

 

No, he wouldn't be able to do it himself. He'd likely sell the team.

 

We didn't benefit the last time as Broward hosted the teams. And Ross can't promise that the NFL will do anything, so the whole thing smells and is somehow, someway going to end up costing the taxpayers. I've seen this act before, and I don't trust, Ross, or the politicos or the NFL Brass. Just say NO.

 

No it has nothing to do with the Miami market, it has all to do with the price he paid for the team & stadium, and his letting his ego & childish side take over when he was making a business deal. I thought at the time, he vastly overpaid by about $ 300-400 million, and now his bad deal is coming back to haunt him. That he made a bad deal shouldn't mean the public need to help him out.

 

The Miami market is near the bottom of the league in attendance, as well as subsidies. What exactly makes it attractive to a prospective NFL owner?

 

Hmmmm, just want to shove that under the carpet.....I got that.

The Dolphins aren't making any money and don't sell as many tickets, gear or concessions because they have STUNK for most of the past decade and even a lot of hardcore fans have started to abandon them because it seems that they are hopeless.

Blaming the fans for any of this is ridiculous. The Dolphins need to get their house in order 1st. WIN SOME GAMES.

 

Those cities also OWN their own stadium and the team pays rent to use the stadium. They also get concessions, parking and other revenues for their investment. I have yet to see that Ross will be sharing any of those with the taxpayers if we "help" him out here.

 

They own their stadiums, and cover the operation costs. Miami-Dade doesnt pay to operate Sun Life. Cities that own their stadiums don't get nearly enough revenue to cover the operating costs.

 

The Jaguars have been worse than the Dolphins. They still bring in more fans.

Either way, winning and losing shouldn't really be a factor here. I can almost guarantee that any NFL team will be a .500 team over the next 30 years.

 

If you believe the Jaguars have a bigger national following and have more TV viewers then I want some of what you are smoking. That they bring more to their stadium, again Dolphins fans made the Dolphins one of the highest season ticket bases as little as 2009 when their was 61,000 of them (top 10 in the NFL). Its been the total frustration of the fans and their dislike of the GM, that has led to many to not renew their tickets.

Its called sending a message to Ross that I think has been loud and clear.

Again you want to tell me that Jax has more viewers in a 1,000,000 person market than the Dolphins do in a 5,500,000 market ? Really ? Seriously......dude that is just so laughable.....

 

And if you believe this is such a terrible market that will never recover at the gate, even when the team shows it can win, then why go through this exercise at all, let them leave - with NFL Sunday Ticket I can watch them wherever they go, and not have to even be worried about a blackout no matter what.

 

It is laughable. I agree with you on that. Shows how bad things really are for the NFL in Miami.

 

Again those people have a stake in those stadiums, and get a % if not almost all of the concessions, parking money etc. And if they don't then that is their fault for not demanding it. They paid for those stadiums. This is a privately owned facility, that is not giving back any of those concessions or parking monies.

If Ross was willing to do that, I would be much more inclined to help him.

 

Well then hopefully a fully local owner, like say Jeb Bush & his consortium would come in and understand the market better and run the team as it should be.

Ross selling is not exactly a bad thing to me, and if the new owner moves them so be it, I'll just follow the team wherever they move to. That is the new reality with NFL Sunday Ticket.

 

NFL owners don't buy teams to build stadiums on their own dime. Any new owner is going to threaten to leave unless the taxpayer ponies up. Thats the unfortunate reality.

And LMAO at Jeb Bush. The entire Bush family is not worth $100M combined. Jeb Bush couldn't even afford Mike Wallace, nevermind an entire team.

How many people do you actually believe could afford to build a $500M stadium on their own dime???

 

It's because its not true......Jax doesn't have more viewers than the Dolphins. Never will happen. Do you realize that Dade-Broward-Palm Beach counties have nearly 1/3 of the entire population of the state ?

And TV viewership will return to better numbers once they start winning again. But right now many have just given up on the team until they turn it around.

You and others try to always put this on the fans, but none of the blame on the Dolphins for having a 27-37 record the last 4 years, winning 1 home game in 2011, losing what was it 13 in a row at home, having a 1-15 record in 2007, only having one playoff appearance in 12 seasons.

Then you have the 1st round, 2nd round and FA busts......many of them.

That's all the fans fault.......right........

 

Yes, this is certifiable fact. Its been posted ad nauseum in this forum. Where are you getting your information from?

Even factoring in winning and losing, the Dolphins still under-perform their record.

 

Then why did Ross buy them ? Please....just stop you're digging yourself deeper.

 

Because he planned on getting the stadium renovated.

 

Well it's his problem, and if he wants to sell, let him. If he wants to take them somewhere else then do that. If he wants to bulldoze the stadium, well he can't do that either because then he has a HUGE penalty to pay to the U of Miami (who by the way generates revenue for Ross).

 

I agree it is his problem. Its up to the residents of Miami to decide whats best for them. Ultimately his problem will be solved one way or another.

 

If you're honest with yourself, you know that isn't true, not even remotely.

I think people like you still aren't convinced that people aren't boycotting the Dolphins right now. I know of a lot of people that have been doing just that, including myself. We're tired of the Sabans, Parcells, Irelands and the empty promises of Ross.

WIN SOME GAMES...........we've been patient for 10 years.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

Dolphins brought in 57,379 per game last year (76.3% of possible attendance, far and away the worst % in the league and 29th lowest volume attendance in the league) vs the Jaguars 64,984 per game.

 

My guess is you didn't follow the Marlins saga at all right ? Jeb Bush and a consortium of investors have supposedly made a very credible offer to buy the Marlins, which Loria has rejected. That's because if he sells them before 2015 he is obligated to pay a penalty to the city and county.

But Bush is just the front man, much like Magic Johnson is the front man for the Dodgers purchase.

 

How much did they offer for the Marlins??? When has the NFL ever allowed such a consortium to own an NFL team?

 

Then post the numbers, this I gotta see. Not % numbers, real viewership as in actual numbers of viewers. Its impossible, as you'd have to have everyone north or Tampa basically watching and the some in Southern Ga.

Dude the numbers just don't add up.

 

Well then he calculated wrong because I can tell you it will NEVER pass a vote here. And if he wants to sell them, then go right ahead.

 

Nope, we all know Miami's actual attendance was the worst in the league last year. That is a recent thing and we all know that. I can prove that if you wish me to (using ESPN stats).

But Stringer said that the the Dolphins also had a smaller viewership than the Jaguars, which is laughable. Ratings numbers may be smaller (I still wouldn't believe that), but he claimed in actual numbers the Jags bested the Dolphins. Given the disparity in the size of the markets that is just completely impossible.

Sooooo lets recap this from Stringers POV. The market is crappy, the actual attendance is crappy, so why should local government help out Ross ? Let the whole thing die and go away, isn't that what Ross should want of this loser fanbase ? (sarcasm)

 

Green Bay is owned by the largest consortium off all time......

And many NFL teams have minority owners - we even have them, HELLO.......

 

The deal is a boondoggle, the more I look at it.'

it is cynical and almost criminal in it's construction.

But I don't care. this county throws away much more on other bull****....so why not this?

 

Could you elaborate?

 

they are gonna issue bonds, that will revolve around in essence, credit payments that banks will pocket for damn near 30 years, and the principle will come due when the debtors are likely deceased and the collateral might or might not be available.


This **** doesn't happen in real life. it really doesn't.

You can only do loan deals like this with the Mob.

The public is such suckers.

 

you know that the deal also makes the Team MUCH MORE VALUABLE?

The debt will downgrade it's value for the near term...but have it boom toward it;s principle payment since the debt gets serviced out of the operating cash.

The renovations just HAPPEN for Ross..and all he has to do is come up with what will be around 10% of the franchise's value in 30 years.

BRILLIANT.

This is why you gotta get rich. Being poor is for losers. LOL

 

An example.

Your house is worth 200k right now.

I will lend you 200k for 30 years for you to renovate at 1% interest, but we will take the payments out of this coke machine we will put outside your door.

In 30 years you will owe us 200k.

Of course..in 30 years, your house might be worth 1 million, so your equity increased due to our loan...and you can just take out a credit line on 20% of it to pay us off.