Darlington & Jeremiah: Miami Looking to Trade UP? (speculation)

Haha is one of those me? Because that was definitely the way I heard it as well when I relayed it to ya. They are pretty flippant with the information right now.

Then again the people I know aren't in the scouting department. The closest I know is a guy who works for NFL Network who routinely talks to scouts/gms

 

Darlington & Jeremiah: Miami Looking to Trade UP? (speculation)

We were pretty open about our interest in Tannehill last year as well and it turned out to be genuine. Not saying that's a wise way of operating in the draft, but we have at least one year's history of showing a lot of interest in our real target.

 

I think you guys are right and that is Phil McGeoghan. Blew it up on my 55" screen. The guy in the video seemed a bit lighter skinned...but that could have just been the lights in the place.

 

Exactly! I don't think they tend to operate with smoke screens. I thought Tannehill was a guy we showed a ton of interest in last year and that was who we drafted. The year before that I thought Pouncey would be the pick based on the interest shown and he was. I think that they tend to look at many prospects and that may be a form of smoke screen. But I don't see a pattern of intentional diversion. If you want to know who they're likely to pick, look at who they spent time studying.

 

Darlington & Jeremiah: Miami Looking to Trade UP? (speculation)

I think we'd have taken Percy Harvin if he had still been on the board as well and our interest in him was obvious,

 

Which can then be used the next year(s) if you're smart enough to hide who you're truly after...

Not saying that's what we're doing, but it's something I would do if you're willing to plan ahead enough. Just like in the game itself, misdirection will work well in the draft too.

 

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I think the target for trade up would be Dion Jordan. Jordan would play Misi's position the one they initially tried to get Michael Johnson to play in Cincy. His ceiling is to through the roof and could take this defense to the next level and beyond into the future.

 

If the interest in Tavon Austin is a smoke screen, then who exactly are the screening for? There has been little to no information on the Dolphins showing interest in hardly any of the top 10 guys or so. The history of them going after a player where it has not been known that said player has had considerable interest from the Dolphins just isn't there.

I mean, really, the only potential top 10 guy that Miami is known to have privately worked out at this point is Cordarrelle Patterson.

 

They had pretty minimal contact with Vontae Davis, Jared Odrick, and Mike Pouncey in 3 consecutive years. AFAIK, they only met with each of those guys at the Combine and had a scout at their pro days. I may be off with Odrick, but I'm pretty sure that's true with Davis and Pouncey.

 

I've heard that pattersons utility really has them salivating. They also have a high grade on the lb brown. Don't get it.

I want the Walter football mock in real life. Such an amazing draft

 

Darlington & Jeremiah: Miami Looking to Trade UP? (speculation)

Arthur Brown would make sense.

 

Hear anything about interest in Jarvis Jones?

 

I do think Tavon Austin will be the guy we pick at 12. Ireland has talked about how important it is for us to beat the Patriots and in our last game against them we scored a grand total of zero points. Ireland is going to load up the cannon on offense.

 

They had Vontae Davis and Percy Harvin in for private workouts on the same day 48 hours before the draft.

 

Nothing on Jones. I asked him specifically about my favorite three players in this draft - Patterson, Bailey, and Jones. He came back with what I just said -> Brown, the linebacker, is someone they think very highly of, and Patterson is the utility guy on offense that has Ireland really licking his chops.

They also don't think he falls to #12, apparently.

 

I remember being convinced that Pouncey was going to be our pick on the morning of that draft. They really haven't done much smoke screening. They tend to pick the people they speak to/look at.

 

I was listening to Sirius radio back then and Pouncey was a given. It seems like all the guys on the NFL channel knew we were taking him.

 

They were all over Pouncey, Odrick and Tannehill.

 

Tannehill I remember. But they were with Pouncey and Odrick? I thought they'd kept contact with those two pretty minimal other than the Combine and having a scout at their pro days. There were more visits?

 

Guess that provides some fuel to the OP in this thread.

 

I would be down with that...Eifert/Austin and Trufant would be very nice.

 

Darlington & Jeremiah: Miami Looking to Trade UP? (speculation)

I don't remember Odrick but Pouncey for sure. I remember one of the taking heads on ESPN basically saying Pouncey was a given at our pick about five picks prior to it.

 

Nope. All over them.

 

We added WR's to the mix in FA but outside of Wallace, we didn't add much speed. Like someone else mentioned, if Wallace goes down we are not the same threat. This is why I think we will add speed at the WR position. Not sure that will be Austin.

Geno Smith had ridiculous numbers throwing to Austin and Bailey but 72% of his passes were 10 yards or less and the yardage was gained after the catch. This bodes pretty well for the offense we are running but I'm not sold on Austin at 174 lbs.

I think our bigger need and higher value is to make a trade up or down. We could leap frog SD to get an OT at 10 and it would only cost us a 4th rounder. We could potentially get this back by trading some of our own non-system fitting players. We could also trade down (but not too far) and grab Eifert and another pick.

I'm not quite sure how we would go about it but I would love to do some wheeling and dealing so we can walk away with Lane Johnson, Tyler Eifert and Tank Carradine in the top 35 picks.

I thought Odrick would move inside full time to replace McDaniel but now we have signed Vaughn Martin so I'm not sure where Odrick fits other than a situational player. I know we are pursuing a DE so I'm not sure they envision leaving Odrick at DE in the base defense. He may offer more value to a 3-4 team and could bring in more draft picks that we could use to maneuver around.

John Jerry is another who could offer more value to a power/man blocking scheme. it will be interesting to see what he weighs in at in a few weeks.

Jerry = 4th round pick
Bess = 3rd round pick
Odrick = 3rd round pick

As I stated, i would like to see us use those picks to move up....

1a Lane Johnson, OT
1b Tyler Eifert, TE
2a Tank Carradine, DE
2b DJ Hayden, CB
2c Ryan Swope, WR
3 Le'Veon Bell, RB

Swope would be a trade off for Tavon Austin but in a bigger package (+30 lbs). He could offer more big play ability in the slot than Bess and also work outside if needed. Bell would be our goal line and short yardage back.

I know it's wishful thinking and way too hard to pull off so trading down for Eifert may be the way to go. This means we need to sign Eric Winston.

 

Can it be April 25th yet?

 

For a tackle?!?!? lol.

 

IMO, the goal of this offseason and draft is to increase the overall explosive factor of this team, on particular the offense. This is why it is likely that they take Austin, Patterson, or Eifert in the first round. It is also why they are sniffing around Gio Brenard as well.

 

That being said, I completely subscribe to the CKParrot train of thought - nobody knows anything but Jeff Ireland. Even people that work int he very same building might have no idea what he's doing. He's being very fluid with information right now, and you have to ask yourself why. These are the same guys who act as sources to beat writers, so maybe they are plants.

 

WADR to everyone in this forum, this obsession Dolphins fans have with trading Odrick is ridiculous. The guy plays a key role in this defense, and his versatility is quite valuable. Not sure why so many fans continue to ignore the hybrid type scheme we run on the right side with Odrick where he essentially is playing somewhat of a 3-4 role. Looking for extra pass rushers doesn't necessarily mean Odrick's job in base defense is in jeopardy. Pass rushers are a different animal as you can't have enough of them. Look at the Seahawks; how many starting caliber ends do they now feature?

Whoa. So you essentially want to trade next year's 2nd rounder to move up for Johnson?..... then trade next year's 1st and this year's 3rd & 4th for Eifert? Then you want to...... eh heck with it, let's just call it our next two year's worth of draft picks. Looks like our scouts will be paid to sit around and play cards until 2015.

 

Agreed Todd. Quite who is giving up a third for scoring machine Davone Bess in his last contract year is beyond me. Miami's issue with dealing up to get ahead of San Diego IF one of the big tackles somehow falls is that they probably won't get a deal done or at least a fair priced one with two of the teams in front which are the Jets and Bills.

 

What else do you want the team to do? They've literally done everything they can this offseason. They've made the twelfth pick something of a BPA bonanza which frankly is fantastic. If hey give up a fourth to get a Lane Johnson then so be it. Protecting Tannehill is THE most important thing.

 

great point. To add to it, IMO it makes infinitely more sense [to me at least] that, if we're packaging 2b to trade up for a tackle, we pair it with 2a to move up for Terron Armstead and leave #12 open for a true impact player like Austin, Patterson, or Carradine.

 

Getting Johnson for an additional 4th would certainly be more palatable than 2b. I'd be ok with that, but it'd still sting a bit not being one of the draft's top playmakers.

 

You have to think Wallace, Hartline, Miller, Clay, Egnew, Bess, Gibson, Matthews, Keller is fairly sexy on the playmaker front because let's be honest, two significantly more advanced wideouts in Blackmon and Floyd struggled mightily despite all their experience. It's not like Cordarrelle is coming in and getting 80-1,300+ and ten scores. Plus, if you shift up and get Johnson you STILL have two twos and two threes to play with if your trade is valued correctly.

 

You're right, it's definitely MUCH better and night and day improved over last year. However, if it were me and we're packaging picks to move up for a tackle, I'd see more overall value in Tavon Austin + Terron Armstead than say Lane Johnson + any 2nd/3rd round receiver.


I look at it as, I'd want to put the best 4 on the field possible, and IMO that's Wallace, Hartline, Austin, and Keller. If Egnew steps up this year and proves himself, he can slide into Keller's spot, which would have no affect on Austin. Gibson would be the backup, so I don't see him affecting Austin either. Bess won't be back in 2014 so IMO he's irrelevant and if anything is more of a reason to target Austin. Clay would rarely see the field with Austin on the team, and IMO that'd be for good reason; he's been good value for a 6th rounder but I would never say, "We have Clay so there's no reason to not take Austin". I like Matthews' upside but to me he's backup #2 and a guy we can continue grooming to replace Gibson as backup #1.

So I really don't see Austin doing anything to congest matters or disrupt current player development. IMO he's a long term solution who allows everything to fall into place by 2015 with a group of:
WR1- Wallace
WR2- Hartline
Slot- Austin
WR3- Matthews
WR4- needs to be drafted
TE1- Egnew, Keller, or draftee (if Egnew doesn't step up he doesn't deserve to be on the field ahead of Austin, which wouldn't impact a decision to draft Tavon.)
TE2- Clay or 2013/2014 draftee

Gone: Bess, Keller (if Egnew or 2013 draftee steps up), Gibson (replaced by Matthews).

 

It's the ADHD crowd. If the successes of a position aren't blatantly obvious and exciting then they aren't worthwhile. Blocking, coverage not involving turnovers, run defense that doesn't involve big hits, and run plays under 10 yards? What are you bro, like 60? If it doesn't make Stuart Scott's eye go all wobbly on ESPN highlights, **** it it's not important.

 

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