Sports Buzz draft notes 3/27/13

BTW, Matheiu is coming in for a visit

Oh my, what hillarity would ensue if that little visit's interviews were recorded.

 

It's all about knowing the actions of both, at least from our standpoint,and trying to read who has better human and teammate potential..I sense your generalizing without knowing wth I'm even talking about when it comes to Wilson's actions..

 

Please don't tell me how to interpret what I saw CK, I don't do that with you, I'm simply saying,what I saw, was the worst onfield, red flagged behavior by a player that I can ever remember, if you don't respect my opinion on that because you think I'm purposely exaggerrating, then what can I tell ya..

Last year, When you first started stating that the kid could be the best receiver in the draft and that you thought he was a first round pick, is when I started watching him in his games in isolation...I was excited to study this dude because of your conviction on the player, I came away perplexed with your analysis, both mentally and his overall game as a receiver..not only wouldn't I touch him for intangible reasons, his game is weak, this is not a physical receiver, he's pure finesses who drops quickly on contact, real quickly.

 

I don't think you're purposely exaggerating but I do think you're exaggerating.

 

I'm giving you context, if you don't trust the context then it's all good..

I find it especially confusing how some folks are not distinguishing the crimes and the actions...clumping it all together and saying their both equal pieces of sh$& is pretty un thorough analysis, and completely misguiding, especially as it relates to what type of people these dudes might actually be..

 

Is this one/several particular incident(s) that happened? I honestly have no idea what you're referring to...but that's because I can't recall having watched a Washington State game since their Rose Bowl appearance with Ryan Leaf.

 

Good, maybe then some folks can get an understanding of how they actually might be two different people, even though they messed up in college.

 

I've watched plenty of Washington State games. I've seen Marquess Wilson act a little immature at times (nothing I haven't seen from many current NFL stars). Never saw him slaughter or a puppy or molest a child on the field, though.

 

Can you tell is what he did that is so bad? What was the action you saw that makes him such a terrible teammate/human being.

 

I watched most of their games last year..the behavior for which I'm talking about happened over the course of an entire game, not just one bad moment, multiple incidents of complete lack of disrespect, no respect for authority, and basically showing everyone who was watching that the mistakes that were happening were not his fault, but that of the QB, and coaches...literally if I was coach I would of made him leave the sideline and go to the locker room, then suspended him for conduct detrimental to the team, indefinitely.

Never seen anything like it at the college or pro level..

I don't say sh&$ just to say sh&$..

Can he change, maybe, I don't fu&$in know, but I ain't spending a draft pick to find out, I'll take my chances on the pothead who is loved by his teammates, plays 100 percent, plays with a toughness that is unquestioned, and has the balls to face the public scrutiny with his issues.

 

Never said you did; I was legitimately curious. What game was it? I'd like to watch it if it's still out there.

 

Then you've never seen Randy Moss play a down of football. Ever.

 

I have many times before, over the past few months, in detail..I thought that was understood..not directed at you, but its bizarre that folks would make comparisons to Matthieu without even knowing or seeing what happened, or had read what I posted before.

1) team was down, trying to catch up, poor pass by the Qb, he stood in the same spot while everyone moved back to the huddle, stared at his Qb, like he waited for everyone to have all eyes on him.

2) 2nd pass, not bad, but wasn't perfect, gets up, looks directly at Qb, throws hands in the air like Wtf..

3) 3rd incident..ball doesn't go his way, hands on hips, looks at bench, refuses to go back to huddle, walks to the flanker position, lazily turns around to run the next play, on that play,runs half *** route.

4) gets taken out of game, comes off sideline, coaches get in his face, he completely ignores, walks to bench, shouting expletives..

There's more to it than just that, but that's the jist.

 

Off the top of your head, can you tell me what represents the worst behavior in a game situation that you remember?, college ball?

 

that wasn't directed at you, more of a general statement..don't remember the opponent, but I'll dig a bit.

 

Yes I have, I've seen randy mope and *****, your comparison doesn't hang in this instance..you questioning my ability to properly frame the level of stupidity and disrespect is offputting.

 

Those actions are found in 90% of receivers from high school to the NFL. He's immature. That's nothing compared to someone who can't stop doing pot.

 

Soooooo he had one bad game where acted out like a douche?
Is this what we're talking about here?

 

No, that percentage is absolutely not correct..this was above and beyond immature...

I really don't care, it's my opinion on the player, if y'all wanna draft him, then thats you, more power to ya, I'll stick with my instinct.

 

Well, his behavior in games were chippy and immature already, them he melted down completely in the game that I saw, then he quit on his team and acted like a lil ***** because practice was to tough..all in public.

I can show you quotes that say he quit in practice 20 mins in.

 

Besides his character concerns, kid is gonna struggle meeting the physical demands of the position at the next level..buyer beware times two..he does have talent, it's just finesse talent, so if your into diva receivers who aren't physical, he's your man.

 

Well it's something that you obviously feel very strongly about.
Guess we'll see.

 

At least be consistent. It's fine that you don't want him because of his immaturity. But to then turn around and say we should draft Mathieu is odd.

 

I guess I'm not allowed to disagree. You're acting like disagreeing is questioning your manhood or something like that. Cool your jets.

 

I guess so. I've seen Randy Moss do much worse. I've seen Terrell Owens do much much much MUCH worse. I've seen Anquan Boldin act like a little ***** on multiple occasions during games, even during PLAYOFF games. Hell, I've even seen Wes Welker do it. Titus Young went all Commander Chaos on the Lions in a game, purposely trying to tank them. I've seen Dez Bryant do at least as bad. I've seen Mike Williams (TB) do worse at the college level. And don't even get me on Michael Crabtree. Or Vernon Davis. Or Percy Harvin. Or Steve Smith (CAR).

But if you disagree with me then you're not my friend anymore.

 

Your not getting the point I'm trying to make, I think there is a major difference in the personality traits that I have witnessed and looked into..I would much rather take my chances on Mathieu because I don't think he's someone that would go out of his way to show up teammates and coaches in a disrespectful, humiliating manner, to me there is a big difference in the nature of the man...I don't see the things in Matthieu that I see in Wilson, in Matthieu I see a good person who made some mistakes, can't say the same thing for Wilson, of course this is just from our limited POV, but I don't see why the POV is so hard to discern.

 

Can't speak for him but it seems to me that he gets your point, he just doesn't agree with it.

 

I get what you're saying. Wilson is immature and takes it out on his teammates and coaches. Mathieu does not. But Mathieu also takes pot, cannot stop taking pot, and was kicked off his team twice.

Neither one is clean. One a little less than the other.

 

My manhood no, my eyes and my understanding of what determines serious red flags, yes you are, and your doing it without acknowledgement that you watched the same actions I'm referring to..

Your basically saying Wilson is just a bit immature, and that I'm wrong for wanting to take a chance on a completely different player who has a completely different makeup, while not wanting to give Wilson the same chance..

 

Umm...well, you've captured it in a nut shell. It's called disagreement. And if you want to talk about draft stuff or football stuff with any other person who is relatively learned and opinionated, you're going to have to learn to live with disagreement and stop acting like I stabbed you in the heart or something like that.

 

Neither is clean and I've stated that many times, their both risks, my point is from one human being to another I'm just using my gut as to who I would want to try and turn around if I was a coach.

 

We can disagree, no problem with the concept, but when you or anyone else (people that thanked KBs post) question my judgement without knowing and seeing the incidents I'm talking about on one of the p,ayers, it rings quite shallow and weak.

 

There is the reality that many prospects do use the dread weed, don't act as if his usage was something singular in a prospect.

His actions afterwards are really the problem, GM who takes him acknowledges he very well could blow up in their face, and the NFL is so vanilla many would just not take the chance and draft him.

Personally, I would, and I'd make it clear that he was going to have to answer questions about what happened and why he did what he did, it is not simply absolved.

 

Sorry but that's kind of horse **** man. You say you saw proof on the field that Marquess Wilson is a terribly immature, disgusting low life blah blah blah. I say you're overstating that quite a bit or that I don't think what you saw suggests that at all. That = disagreement. Live with it.

 

What I saw, was the worst display of sh&$ attitude by a receiver that I can recollect.

Not sure how one disagree with that unless they watched the game in its entirety, if you have then we'll just agree to disagree, if you haven't, then your simply questioning my judgment without reason.

 

If you can find the game mentioned like on youtube or something, then anyone who wants to could make their own judgement. I'm curious now to see it myself after reading what you said.

 

I can't remember the damn game C..I remember TiVo'ing it last season and watching it late nite, I'm trying to place the opponents uniform, doubtful your will see anything from YouTube..

I'm just stating an opinion that I had some conviction about, the only problem I have is folks who want to disagree with the severity of the actions without seeing it firsthand, or dismiss them, or compare them to what Matthieu issues are..

I had no alterior motives to bash the kid, I wanted to like him, but was shocked what I saw, and remember all this was stated on the record way before the events with leach went down, so to me hopefully you understand what I was thinking when that went down....predictable considering what he did in games..

We'll see ya know, we'll see who gets drafted where...if he's so damn good, and his outbursts and attitude isn't so bad, he should go before Matthieu