Welcome Your Players Here (The Free Agency Discussion Thread)

Discussion in 'Free Agency' started by Mach, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    That's not how it works in real life though. Agents come back to teams and tell them what the other team is at to see if their going to bid money. Free Agency isn't a Steve Nebraska thing where teams put a figure blindly and whosever the highest wins
     
  2. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    I'd rather just deal with people *****ing about sniping.
     
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  3. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Right, but teams don't tell other teams.
     
  4. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Right now I'm not even sure who I want to sign. I'm just bidding on guys to keep them available longer. There is way too much data available.
     
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  5. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I don't understand. I don't like (as long as we're piling on) I don't like the sync with the regular NFL's free agency. We should have moved this up a week. People are seeing who the NFL are signing and bidding accordingly. It's laziness.
     
  6. Bdogtitan11

    Bdogtitan11 New Member

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    I agree with moving it up a week. Look at how the salaries for the Miami signees sky-rocketed during the bidding process. It'd be like holding our draft while the NFL Draft is going on.
     
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  7. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Data in terms of what everyone else here is doing. I know exactly what teams want who. I can string guys along, knowing the market will shrink and squeeze my opponents out. If you have a lot of money available, you should be prolonging FA as much as possible.

    I don't think NFL FA affects it much. If anything, the bids of others affect it much more. There is definitely a herd mentality here.
     
  8. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Too late. Blame Mach.
     
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  9. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    Not only that, but my top 2 LBers (Ellerbe and Wheeler) literally skyrocked after Miami signed them. So there's a lot of that stuff going on.
     
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  10. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    Oh god, are we doing that too?
     
  11. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    someone should keep a list (here) of which teams have open bids on who. :couch:

    I think NFL FA and the herd are very much in play.
     
  12. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    I am scraping the data and have a real-time list :yes:
     
  13. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    only one way to prove that. :shifty:
     
  14. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    I actually built a spreadsheet that tracked all of the open bids and cap numbers ... however in setting it up I used faulty logic and based it on the update threads. And since not everyone updates at the same time it's useless.

    :(
     
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  15. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    The idea was to create less "dead time" and we felt that we did that. We wanted 2-3 weeks between each event to minimize complaining and keep interest. This is why we had trades for 3 weeks, cut player bidding for 2 weeks, free agency for 2.5 weeks, draft for 3 weeks, undrafted free agent bidding/roster fill for 1 week, then roster freeze right before the draft.
     
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  16. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    Always was my plan to wait till bidding leveled out and cut or trade Jenkins and use that money for Ellerbe.
     
  17. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    I told you that would happen with Wheeler. I very nearly stole Wheeler for $2 million. Now he's $7 million. :lol:
     
  18. Stringer Bell

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    I had my eye on Wheeler before FA. Not many quality WLB available.
     
  19. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    I'm not accusing either one of you because you both know your stuff. Those are just examples that i gave to highlight the current system. Profile wise both guys jumped up after signing. That was my point.

    Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2
     
  20. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    Yeah no I agree. Its just supply and demand though. Very few starting LBs... Very few #1 receivers. But the market was flooded with secondary players. Plus this league is different because some people (like me) moved most of their picks haha So I have to rely on FA.
     
  21. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    Plus I think a couple other guys had the same mindset as me with only 5 active bids... Pick up your mid tier prospects early and let the upper prospects play out over time.
     
  22. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    That's exactly what we don't want.
     
  23. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    Griddles wouldn't let me. :pity:
     
  24. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    I'm rather enjoying watching the seismic shifts of how people bid after a signing happens. It's fascinating to watch someone completely change on a dime.
     
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  25. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    stop breaking the system Mach. We're going to have to move UFA up earlier, because this league is more interesting when it's speculative versus bidding against those who try and follow what the NFL does. If we're all speculating it's a level playing field as we have to go based on what we feel is best for the team, not on who is signing with which team irl.
     
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  26. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    This is the strategy people mainly have to use. It's a game, not a throw **** at the wall like a monkey activity. That includes reading the market and developing a plan accordingly, and adjusting it as need be.

    Semi related, it's like some of you want things to happen quickly and be done with. Get teams out, get trades started, get FA going, it'll be over in a blink of an eye. If that's something you want, video games are fantastic for that, you can run seasons quick.

    It's like the difference between masturbating and being with a lady. You gotta have all the foreplay and such, otherwise for that you can just buy a fleshlight.
     
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  27. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    I'm not opposed, just saying I'm enjoying watching things play out.

    Not all my ideas work, but I definitely have no qualms trying them. Only those that risk going too far can possibly know how far they can go.
     
  28. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Was going to go after Jason Jones but read that Lions are going to use him at DE because that worked so well in Tennessee.
     
  29. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    Vikings Go For Broke; Sign Bryant

    In a move that seemed to come out of left field, the Minnesota Vikings signed former Oakland Raider Desmond Bryant to a huge free agent contract, rumored to be north of 8 million dollars a year.

    Bryant, fresh off a DUI arrest in February, happily appeared clear-eyed and sober when introduced in a press conference earlier today. He is expected to start at defensive tackle in the Viking's 4-3 alignment.

    To make room for Bryant, the Vikings parted way with long-time defensive tackle Kevin Williams. Williams was slated to earn 8 million dollars this year, and with Gerald McCoy and Jared Allen both signed to big deals, this mostly likely was an instance where there simply wasn't enough money to go around. Minnesota is rumored to be interested in bringing Williams back at a reduced rate, though Williams apepars to want to test the market.

    Bryant was widely considered the top free agent defensive lineman available, and was ranked as the 6th best overall interior defensive lineman according to the website Pro Football Focus. Additionally, he ranked as the 4th best overall in terms of pass rush productivity.

    He joins what could be considered the NFL's best defensive line, playing alongside Pro Bowlers Jared Allen and Gerald McCoy. Former first round pick Everson Griffen, a reclamation project a year ago, is expected to join the everyday lineup after an 8 sack performance in limited duty last year.
     
  30. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    I just get no's without any good reasoning against my ideas without seeing how far those risks can go. Gattaca! Gattaca!
     
  31. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    That's because your ideas either cause trouble, involve rodents and Vaseline, or both.
     
  32. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    you mean all three. They do not cause trouble, they add a new wrinkle in the game and change strategies. The "loophole" to offer a min bid on a transitioned/tendered player works in favor for all teams involved. Usually teams who tendered the player have an advantage because all they have to do is match the offer and get to keep their player much cheaper. It also incites a bidding war where you wouldn't normally see one, extending the period as you wanted.

    As for trading cap space, I don't see why not. You take out a guy from inflating prices of players and have another tool in the trade game. Ya'll just lucky I didn't get into selling picks for cash. So many more loopholes to concoct.
     
  33. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    I was making a joke, but :fry:

    I wasn't the one who killed that idea.

    Because you can't do it in real life?

    I don't see how they inflate prices, they just don't get traded for and then get cut - like real life. And then we bid on them creating more activity - like real life.

    Fortunately there's a CBA to deal with that. :p You could trade picks for cash if you so wanted. Hell, the Raiders traded a coach for cash and picks, but none of it applied to the cap.
     
  34. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    In this case it opens up cap space we have tied up in cap picks.
     
  35. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    so trade your picks?

    Also, I wanted to have picks count against the cap once we started the draft, but I was overruled.
     
  36. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    :nou:
     
  37. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    That's illogical. They are counting against the cap right now, which is why you and your communist cohort deleted some of my bids. I'm not sure why they would count during Free Agency but not during the Draft?
     
  38. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    What the hell do you mean it doesn't count during the draft?
     
  39. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    I meant I wanted to have picks count against the cap once we started the draft, not before. That should have been obvious.
     
  40. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    And I don't think I deleted any bids.
     

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