Draft Implications of Starks Being Franchised?

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  1. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Look, it's impossible to defend Jeff Ireland's past actions. No one can do it without being a fraud. He's done poorly and gets an F grade.
    But, we are looking ahead. I support him, because I trust that he will remove himself from football decision and act as a GM, and he will let better people do the player selection. He will rely on that expertise. This is good for the Phins and its good for him professionally. I believe in that, I trust that, and I support that going forward.Ryan tannehill was not his decision. Ryan Tannehill was the decision of the new coaching staff. And that's good. No one wants or needs Jeff Ireland's player personnel decisions unless it has to do with money and salary structure. And that is good and that is the way it should be.
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Solai to me is a true nose tackle playing in a 43 defense, two down player best used strait across the center..that's why I called him a 0..I understand he doesn't play that position in this defense, but my pont is would we be better off letting him go next year to a 34 defense and looking for a better gap penatrotor next to Starks..
     
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  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    What is wrong with a true nose tackle playing in a 4-3 defense? If it takes two people to block him, then he is perfect for a 4-3 defense.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Your paying a lot of money for a two down player to be effective, I like Solai, think he can be dominant against the run on the two downs, but is the game changing a bit?..Vince Wilfork, a true o technique player stays on the field all three downs and is effective, the giants don't play with a nose tackle, very effective Dline..there's nothing wrong with it if that's what your trying to do, stuff the run on the first two downs, but is it the best way is what I'm asking..

    You draft Sheldon Richardson, you don't need Solai, and you get a three down player..it's just a different style of play for your Dline, you get more penetration, and a hell of a lot more pass rush, which teams are doing more of ya know.

    Also Solai's game dropped off a bit in the last quarter, thought he packed on his weight again.
     
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  5. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    It made sense to draft a QB at #8 overall, who played WR his first two years and only played QB for 19 games?

    Interesting...

    As much as I love Tannehill, even I can't say that made sense. It's funny people rip Ireland for not taking chances and then at the same time rip him for trading for Brandon Marshall. They want us to sign big time free agents then hardly mention Karlos Dansby. They want us to draft people other than lineman then mention Tannehill like he was some obvious choice at 8.
     
  6. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    I thought the Odrick pick was a safe pick, top 3-4 DE in that draft and a solid contributor. The only problem I had with that draft was that they bypassed some potential Elite prospects to trade down.
     
  7. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Huh?

    Also you do realize Ireland doesn't work out the contracts with players right? They have people that do that (Dawn Aponte).
     
  8. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    My main beef with Ireland was and still is to some extent that he is unprofessional. He meddles and sticks his nose where he has no business being and ultimately ruins this team. He is a former scout and this gig is his little candy store. He interviews draftees, he still acts like a scout, and all that staff. All everyone wants him and needs him to do is to be the money man, only.
    I fully expect all decisions on personnel are Philbin's and Ireland's function is to simply execute it financially, to make it happen.
     
  9. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    And that is not OK and not "not a big a deal."
     
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Your main beef with Ireland is that he does his job?
     
  11. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    No. He does his job unprofessionally. It's the manner in which he does his job, that I have a beef with.
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    He has had some unprofessional moments, like calling the ***** fan who told him that he should be fired an ****** and the whore thing, however most of the time he does his job in a very professional manner.

    It is his job to scout players, GMs scout players. It is his job to interview draftees. GMs interview draftees. The job of building the team is Ireland's. Who to draft, who to sign, who to resign, is Ireland's. That is the GMs job.
     
  13. ToddPhin

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    Hey, you're entitled to disagree with a couple successful billionaires about Ireland's level of professionalism.
    Like seriously, what would they know about that quality, right. :shifty:
     
  14. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    That is such a ridiculous argument. ad-hominem basically.
     
  15. Bpk

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    I'd be happy to see this if Paul could be turned into a third round pick. Then ask Odrick to put on fifteen pounds and rotate him, Kheeston Randall and Tony Mc D inside... Plus use a fifth rounder on a big fat Soliai type in case Randall plays like crap or Mc D gets hurt again.

    That extra third gets you a decent contributing player, lets you justify picking up a starting DE with a high pick (1st or 2ond round) with Odrick shifting inside (where he belongs,p IMO).

    Also, I wonder what John Abraham would cost for a short term rental?
     
  16. RoninFin4

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    I think having a bigger player at the 1 technique DT spot might be more of a staple of this defense than people are assuming. Cincinnati had Domata Peko and developed him; they drafted Pat Sims when Peko developed slowly. Last year they drafted Brandon Thompson and had him put on weight in what was essentially a red shirt year for him. So, I think having Soliai may be more integral to the defense than a lot may think.

    I think you could move Starks there if you drafted Richardson, but you won't be as stout up front. IMO, with Starks back, Richardson would be in the Jared Odrick role as a 5 technique in this defense, which isn't really a true 4-3 defense, there are some different elements in there (Under fronts, 3-4 principles, etc.).
     
  17. MrClean

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    He doesn't play exclusively 0 technique. I'd say seldom if ever. When he plays on the center's shoulder and not head up that is 1 tech. Sometimes he plays DE too in a 5 and other times in a DT 3 tech.
     
  18. P h i N s A N i T y

    P h i N s A N i T y My Porpoise in Life

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    Do you honestly know anything though ? Your assuming a whole lot. How is he different than any other GM in that he wants to meet prospects ? Pretty crazy way of thinking, that the entire front office is a "fraud" ( they just evaluated and kept Ireland ), but you support them (him) ? There's really nothing to defend with Ireland until someone comes up with a real argument, instead of conjuring up silly reasons to jump on the pile and dispise the guy. Give us ONE fact that means something !

    The Starks tagging has no implications, not in rd. 1. It was a necessity. Otherwise we'd be forced to probe Lotuleilei or move Odrick. We still have a need for a young DT, it's just not as imperative.
     
  19. Disgustipate

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    Did you seriously just complain about someone else's argument when you posted this:

    That's quite good.

    In a way that isn't actually good but y'know.
     
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