I see that at times but its usually the right decision considering what's happening.. 11 catches..187 yards..against LSU defense...random point.
exactly. Plus he has a smaller surface area to hit and be left exposed to injury than a 6'3 receiver, and you could argue that his shorter size and lower center of gravity leaves his knees less exposed to collision injuries than a taller receiver.
That's absolutely ridiculous. Concussions aren't limited to guys under 200 pounds. White was an idiot for leading with his head into oncoming traffic. It seems like you're just trying to come up with every excuse possible simply b/c you don't like Austin. Why? you've yet to provide any sort or reasoning.
Yea. I don't think the concussed's body has anything to do with it. A more critical factor is the body of the concusser (I just made up a word ... deal with it).
Are you seriously trying to imply Swope is a better big play threat than Austin, or are you intentionally using a circular argument to downplay Austin simply b/c you don't like him? Of course the numbers will make it "seem" as though Swope is a bigger play threat b/c that's the nature of spending more time outside than Austin did. What do you think Swope's numbers would look like if he were in Austin's role? You think they'd be better? Gimme a break.
who's doing that? A touch or two a game as a rusher out of the pistol or in sweeps diversifies the offense, period. He's a receiver through and through. The other elements are icing on the cake.
2 totally different players with different skills, body mass and playmaking abilities. I dont get what the confusion is about. seriously.
So you're saying Swope's scoring production has declined while Tavon's has ascended. So what? BTW, Swope didn't have to compete with Stedman Bailey for scoring opportunities this year. So now you're using Bailey's stats to try and argue away Austin's ability? Anything else you wanna throw at the wall to see if it sticks?
Yes. That's it! I hate Austin because he once did something to me. Austin is more susceptible to injury.It's not just concussions. You're ignoring that negative on him but it's significant. As for your last comment, it makes no sense. You make no sense.
And just what do you think the normal breakdown for a slot receiver is? Do you expect him to run as many intermediate and deep routes as outside guys on a per play basis? Seriously KB, stop with this silliness. Tavon played the slot. It's the nature of his position to run a big chunk of short routes, so please stop trying to twist that around as if he's inadequate b/c he didn't run as many intermediate and deep routes as other receivers this draft. How about you instead show me slot receivers who caught a greater percentage of intermediate and deep passes, more TDs, and a higher YPA (excluding the sweeps) than Tavon. This is just getting out of hand that you insist on comparing slot receiver to flanker/split end when that's apples to oranges. How about getting with apples to apples. What it seems like to me is that you're stubbornly compelled to believe the slot receiver position has very little value even though the game has changed drastically.
It's pretty uncritically accepted that smaller ball-carriers are more likely to get injured. There are examples to the contrary, but I think there's almost certainly something to it given the prevalence. I don't see how Pat White was an idiot, he was tripped. It didn't have anything to do with his size, but it wasn't his fault either.
Really? Does he have some type of debilitating condition I'm unaware of? It makes plenty of sense. You keep saying you don't think he can beat press in the NFL but you refuse to actually break down why you think he can't do it.
Yes, but when you're buying a cake the icing is pretty important. If he's not a very good rusher as a back, it is noteworthy I think. It eliminates some of the mismatches he is being sold on.
Read the sentence you highlighted, sir. I said I'm not sure if Bailey could, not Austin. I would have to go over a scouting report on Bailey to see if he could.
Here's the argument against Tavon so far: -Austin is too small therefore he can't beat press. -Austin is too small therefore he'll never make it off IR. -Bailey caught more TDs than Austin therefore Austin sucks. -Swope caught more passes downfield than Austin therefore Austin sucks. -Slot receivers are insignificant even though they accounted for the most touches in Philbin's offense and in GB's current one. -Half the corners in the NFL supposedly run a 4.3 with elite movement ability therefore Austin will never get open. -Austin won't break big plays in the NFL b/c the talent is better than in college (based on the last two statements I'm surprised anyone has ever broken a play or gotten open in the NFL)
Fair enough. Apology for that one. However, have you not said you don't think Austin can beat press in the NFL?
No. Nothing like that. I said it's a question mark. We don't know that he can. There will be better, more complete prospects at 12. You pick a player like Austin later on.
I don't know who I'd want more than Austin at tailback in the pistol when we run the triple read option TBH. He has outstanding vision and natural running instincts as a rusher. Have you seen the Oklahoma game breakdown? I can't think of another receiver with a greater amount of icing and versatility. Washington lines up 150 pound Brandon Banks at tailback in the pistol as the pitch man, and he has nothing on Austin. I'm excited about the idea of seeing Austin out in space taking the pitch, as well as knowing every opponent would likely have to game plan specifically for the Tavon Austin element.
What's your definition of "more complete"? I don't see a player "more complete" at his respective position than Austin in the slot as well as his contribution to the pistol/read option and the return game. There is no player like Austin later. That's the whole point of using a 1st on him. He's a rare talent you don't find later, nor every year for that matter.
As a die hard Clemson fan and huge supporter of Ford, I can tell you Austin is a superior talent than Ford, and Ford is no slouch. Austin is a much better runner with the ball in his hands, has significantly better lateral & COD ability, and has better awareness. However, the success Ford has on the outside with his speed is similar to what we can expect from Austin IMO. Go back to Ford torching KC, and us for that matter.
A player with less weaknesses than Austin. One who is less of a question mark. Not just at receiver. If Rhodes is available, I would pick him. Same with Werner or Sharrif Floyd. I meant Austin, not just any player like him. I think he could drop to the second. I don't see him going within the top 20.
Right now NFLDraftScout.com rates Austin 24th and Bailey 107th overall. nfl.com/draft/2013 gives Austin a grade of 85.4 as a prospect and ranks him the 4th WR. Bailey is graded at 79.0 and 10th WR That Austin is rated much higher as an NFL prospect is the consensus from every draft analyst I've read so far. If Austin isn't the best West Va receiver why is he rated the much better NFL prospect?
Certainly the consensus opinion is that Austin is better. But the consensus opinion is also that he can't play on the outside, and that he isn't worthy of the #12 pick. Nobody has him as the #1 WR in the draft.
IMO = in my opinion. Opinion: A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
No one said that. Strawman argument. As for injuries, he did not miss a game in his high school or College career.
Accepted by whom? Other than you and the rest of the anti-Austin crowd. Austin is a WR not a RB anyway. So, how does it compare among WRs? There is no unequivocal proof that WRs of Austin's size are any more or less injury prone than WRs of any other size. Perhaps you could produce evidence of a study that would support your bias. Or just a few examples. I do not recall Duper or Clayton getting hurt much. Probably the best size comparison to Austin currently is Santana Moss. He was an inch taller and 7 lbs heavier at his combine back in 2001. Yet he has been very durable throughout his 12 years in the league and counting. He was drafted 16th overall.
Does not matter at all. 10 or so rushes a season would be about on a par with Cobb. Wes Welker never runs the ball and he has plenty of chances to be a mismatch nightmare, and so would Austin if he never ran a reverse or used in the read option as the pitch man.
I watched a lot of Ford too, and he is nowhere near as shifty as Austin. He appears a little more stocky in build and more straightlinish compared to Austin. Ford is probably faster in a straight line.
After reading Gil Brandt, I believe Austin could easily go as high as 16 to the Rams and won't make it past NE at 29. So if we want him, no f--king around. Draft him at 12. Would I??? I'm on the fence, we land a Mike Wallace for example then if you go WR you go Allen. You trade for Miles Austin?? Then drafting Tavon makes a lot of sense to me. Either way, he won't be there at 2A I promise you.
