Um, because woman on man and gay man on straight man sexual violence barely exists. Its just not happening in significant numbers. People do die by being electrocuted in the bathtub, yet there's still plugs in bathrooms, it just doesn't happen often to merit concern.
No they aren't. Hell, what turns on one straight person doesn't turn on another straight person. For all you know the gay guy in the locker room, is not turned on by giant sweaty men. Maybe the guy is bi?
Well... first, any woman who "has risen to the professional level" is going to be a BEAST. So... at that point a male athlete could be vulnerable to a female athlete overpowering them. Second, dont bring race into it. Thats a completely different conversation with a completely different set of issues that do not involve sexual violence/assult. People feeling uncomfortable b/c of the color of a person's skin is completely different than people feeling uncomfortable b/c they feel they are being, or fear being, sexually harrassed/assulted.
Mike Brown feels slighted by your comments. He's been waiting for Al Davis to depart the Earth, so that he can be the looney of the league. Give him his day to shine.
I think the myth of Jeff Ireland is just funny. A seagull craps on your car..Ireland did it Got a flat tie..Ireland did it I'm not thrilled with his job performance but cut the man a break.
Thats ridiculous. So, if it was EXTREMELY uncommon for a child to be assulted by an adult... it wouldnt merit concern? The fact is... is that society views the female harrasment of men much differently than male harrasment of women... and thats just as wrong as people viewing homosexuality different than heterosexuality.
I think there are 2 true things to come out of any of this nonsense: 1). If you've played team sports, there is a very, very high likelihood that you've been in a locker room with a homosexual. 2). Who the **** cares if that guy is gay? Its 2013.
All that is required is that the employees feel they are working in a safe work environment (as its hard to make any work environment truly "safe". You can just try your best to impliment policies to help protect your employees). And in order to make an employee feel safe... sometimes seperation is needed (aka - a female athlete being seperated from the male athletes... to keep BOTH parties safe. Not just the woman in that scenario).
If it doesn't merit concern, why do they by law have to put a tag on the cord stating that there is a chance of electrical shock if placed in water? Yes, people are that stupid. They need a sticker on those machines, just because people are stupid.
I suppose you walk around in a suit of armor then? Since all threats to your well being are equal and deserve the same amount of concern and preventative strategies even if they don't happen with same frequency? There's never been a snake in my house, but I should be as cautious as I would be in the forest?
to ask that question is lame. Either somebody needs to look up 21st Century ethics and correctness or look up the word bigot.
Right, but none of that can be considered when hiring. You can't say you aren't going to hire women because you don't want to deal with the possible issues. You can't say you aren't going to hire a handicapped person because you don't' want to deal with the issues. You can't say you don't want to hire gay people because of the possible issues. That is discrimination in its purest form. And also an employee can't just simply say they don't feel safe because someone is gay showering next to them. There needs to be more displayed to warrant it.
To be clear before I type a response... I am not saying that a gay player WOULD be a threat. However, there of course is a potential threat. Just like there is a potential threat when mixing men and women in the same lockerroom. Is a 5'9 180lbs straight male WR at any less risk from sexual harrassment by a 6'6 270lbs gay male DE... than a female football player would be at risk of sexual harassment by a straight male football player?
You cant bang a drum for equality on homosexuallity... but then not want equality on how you want to treat men vs. women. Its quite hypocritical...
That argument extends to any workplace though. Men hit on women at work all the time. And I suppose that from time to time a gay co-worker hits on a straight co-worker in an office environment as well. We deal with those specific issues as they arise. We don't ban gays from the workforce or require complete separation of women and men. The fact is, players are naked a lot less in the locker room then is perceived. Most of the time they are fully clothed in the locker room. So instead of banning gay men from this line of work because somebody else might be made uncomfortable by his mere presence, or force the gay man to live in the closet, let him be out, let's get anybody who's uncomfortable to put the cards on the table and resolve the issue.
Again... you only cant do that b/c of the legality of it. I'm not arguing the legality of it. I'm arguing wether it is relevant. And it is relevant IMO...
No, there is not the same threat. But even if there were, you don;t ostracize the gay man ahed of time when he's done nothing wrong other than publically announce he is gay. You resolve any fears or misconceptions by being open and honest. Let the guys who are uncomfortable explain why. I'm sure once they realize that their one gay teammate is not interested in them they will either get over their fear completely or at least learn to live with it
So, if the male athletes tell the female athlete that they are not interested in her... she should then feel comfortable changing/showering in the mens locker room or at least learn to live with it?
Are you aware that there are dozens of out lesbians in the WNBA and other women's team sports? Yet, they share lokcer rooms with their majority straight counterparts every day without incident. What's the difference? Women can overpower each other much like men can.
No, again you're comparing apples to oranges. You are taking a scenario which is exceedingly rare and highly unlikely to occur (i.e. a woman being good enough to make a male sports team) and comparing it to a scenario which is relatively common and in which no incidents have occured. There are gay people in virtually every NFL locker room. And I am sure that some of them have been attracted to their straight male teammates from time to time, just like you might be attracted to a female co-worker or classmate. Yet there have been no incidents because most people can control themselves and don't try to force themselves on other people. There is no evidence to suggest that this would happen more often in a locker room than a boardroom. So what your really concerned about is how the knowledge that a teammate was guy would affect those who are straight, even if the gay teammate has done absolutely nothing to make them feel uncomfortable other than simply existing as an out gay person.
Is discrimination necessary? Absolutely not. But I do believe that it is necessary to know how hiring a person will impact your workplace and its current employees.
I'm treating them very equal. Straight women should share locker rooms with lesbians just as straight men should share locker rooms with gay men. You also didn't address my point about different levels of concern for different levels of threat.
I'll back out of this thread. I've said my peace. Many people feel that homosexuals and heterosexuals should be treated and protected equally… but don’t believe the same for men vs. women. That between straight men, gay and straight females, and gay men… that straight men should be afforded less consideration/protection/etc than the others… and I find that hypocritical. But with topics like these, everyone will have very defined opinions that certainly wont change from a conversation on a message board.
All that can be said to you again is: gay men are not the same thing as straight women just as gay women are not the same as straight men.
You dont treat them equally, b/c you dont feel a woman should have to share a locker room with a man for HER sake. Not for the guy's sake. I would ask you... if gays and straights should be sharing locker rooms... whats the point of having seperate locker rooms for men vs. women? Why not put all sexes and sexualities in the same locker room?
To which I've answered repeatedly now, safety. A woman is in actual danger, where the guy is not. You have to stop ignoring that.
No they aren't. There are people who don't feel comfortable being naked around anybody gay or straight.
It should have no consideration in regards to hiring. If you're asking during the interview, then that implies it will have an affect on whether the person gets the job or not.
See... thats obviously a huge disagreement. Women rape men all the time. Obviously... not near as often as men rape women... but that doesnt mean it isnt a problem or make it any less disturbing. You feel that it isnt distrubing that women rape men... at least dont feel strong enough that you dont feel anything should be done to protect men in that scenario. I find that hypocritical. To each their own though... I wont judge you for it.
No, no. It doesn't happen all the time and I do find it disturbing. It is just not happening enough to merit discrimination. Besides, I'm not arguing for a man in a woman's locker room. I'll ask you again, do I have the same chance of being hit with a meteor as I do being hit by a drunk driver? Should I give both scenarios the same amount of concern and preparation? Of course not, even though they can equally damage me.
You need to learn more about the issues of women sexually assulting men. Many incorrectly assume it is impossible or doesnt happen. It unfortunately effects many more men than it is commonly believed. Again, MUCH less than how often men sexually assult women, no question. But if we are arguing equality... lets make sure everyone is treated equally and protected equally from harm. Comparing the odds of women sexually assulting men to the odds of being hit by a meteor is pretty ignorant IMO.
I'm not making a case either way about gays in a male locker room (frankly I don't care enough ... it's really low on my list of daily worries) but have to point out ... you are comparing apples to oranges as well.
