Not sure, but he didn't show explosion in the 40. Quick feet though, looked good in the drills. I'm guessing that the 10 yard split wasn't so hot but again, not sure what the number is.
Again, using my eyes, Werner didn't look quick out of the gates or particularly explosive in the 40, I was specifically looking for that. I expected more of an explosive start and more of a natural runner.
I'm confused, how does Miami not need a player like Jordan?, and if he was to fall to 12 and we pass, are you passing because you have Misi and Burnett on your team?, that to me is completely ignoring the best player available philosophy, a player that can literally rush the passer on one down, drop into coverage on another, use his leverage and underrated strength to play the run, and who has ridiculous sideline to sideline pursuit capabilities.
I don't like coming to assumptions, nor do I feel comfortable based in how these athletes talk to form an opinion about their iq, also believe football Instincts are different then speech ability and intelligence but, Cordarelle is another player I worry a bit about.
I tried to see why some are so high on Ogletree as an inside line backer, a top 10 pick, but I don't see it, don't think he will hold up on the inside at the next level..having him as the #1 ranked inside linebacker when he struggles at the point of attack and playing the run is an indictment on how weak the class is..
Banks with ten reps, don't know how to interpret it really. He has long arms and a slender frame in general. He needs to add 10 to 15 pounds if you ask me, WalterFootball speculated that he might have scaled down to run his 40. A lot of people doubt his speed but I'm going to make a prediction that he runs in the low 4.4's tomorrow.
For a corner that result is really not that out of line. It's Tyrann Mathieu's 4 bench reps that concerns me. Shorter arms and a history of unreliability make the result all the more suggestive that he's still not working very hard or taking his career seriously.
What does that even mean? There's a position. It's Kevin Burnett's position. It carries with it a job description. Does Dion Jordan fit it, or does he not? Be specific.
I'm passing because Dion Jordan does not truly fit either position. He may fit Koa Misi's position, but Koa Misi fits Koa Misi's position pretty darn well. Will Dion Jordan be better at THAT role than Koa Misi? Not really. He might be better in the role of 3rd down pass rusher, compared with Koa Misi. But as for Misi's 1st and 2nd down roles as a "Will" (or "Sam", since they're kind of confused roles), I don't think Jordan is really any better on those downs in that role.
I apologize for my ignorance here. To be honest, I read your post and youtubed both Werner and Carradine for my first look at both of them... so that gives you an idea of the extensive and indepth knowledge I have of these 2 players. lol! From the looks of it, besides the fact that its how he was used... it appears Werner is more of that strong side type to me. Not super explosive but powerful with good hands. Seems to set the edge against run well too. However... I'm curious as to how you see him fitting on our team, with both Wake and Werner seeming to be best on the left side of the defense? Would you be moving Wake over to the right, or Werner? If you move Werner to the right, how do you think he will translate to that side? Do you feel he has the explosion to play on the weak side of the defense going against Left Tackles? When I look at Carradine with my super extensive 1-highlight-watching video analysis... now that is the kind of guy that screams RDE to me... and again, not just b/c thats how he was used. Big, long, fast and explosive... he actually caught my eye in the Werner video before I found out that Carradine was also on FSU and was the #91 that caught my attention, lol. A real shame that he tore his ACL... b/c I'd be all over that. Have you (or anyone) heard anything about the severity of the injury or the progress of the recovery? Realistically, if you draft him... he's sitting out year one, right? That would be a tough pill to swallow at 12... but he looks great.
And New England. Versatile, plays with a burst and floor low pad level. He can play closed end five technique and then slide in at the three. New England will love him for it.
Also, I haven't been keeping up in this thread but Nick Williams from Samford... my goodness that was some 40....4.87! 315 pounds, 6 foot 3 1/2 I need to find some Samford tape
I've seen Werner play on the right side and I believe he can play there just as well. I haven't seen a dropoff.
I'm new to Werner and am trying to consider him since you're pretty good with the draft evals... but so far it's hard for me to get past what appears to be a lack of athleticism for the 12th pick. Didn't really pop out even in a highlight video, and a 31" vert and 9'3" broad jump seem kinda damning. What a out his game helps you look past that?
Of all the DEs I watched in the draft, Carradine is the best, IMO. But the injury creates a question mark. If we were picking 25-32 I would take Tank. I doubt he makes it to our second rounder. Damn shame. Great player. Anyone know what the medical reports are on him from the combine?
We're gonna sign Starks, have Odrick drop 15-20 pounds, and end up drafting either Tavon Austin or Xavier Rhodes. Perhaps Lotulelei not having a heart condition puts him in the mix should he slide.
Went back and watched Dion Jordan again. Better hand usage and quickness than I gave him credit for. Still have concerns over ability to bend the edge and finish though.
If we're talking Burnetts Sam position, it requires all kinds of speed and agility requirements, reading the tight end, either dropping and covering from that position or transitioning quickly to stop the run, I know what outstanding coverage abilities he has, everyone knows that now, we know how long the tightend has killed us, with his length and speed and exceptional ability to cover space laterally, even from the slot, I'm confident he will do a better job in that dept than Burnett, as it pertains to stopping the run, this kid is not afraid to take on blockers, disengage them using his hands,and make plays on the back,he can chase down anything that comes into his territory, cover the flat like noones business, and most importantly, can do things rushing the Qb that Misi or Burnett cannot do, and have a very hi ceiling in that dept in the process, even though he's a bit raw at it. He's not a player that I would put a label on, he's a player that can make a def coordinator transform and evolve his system..His ceiling is limitless, and if there are any perceptions that because he's 250lbs and tall that he's more of a finesse player, I would seriously disagree with that, he loves contact and has a bit of nastiness in his demeanor when he plays. Imo not wanting to take him at 12 means you don't want one of the few blue chip prospects the draft has to offer if indeed he did drop..I don't believe that to be a wise decision because we have a 31 year old player who doesn't make plays at his projected spot. ,
Nothing to worry about. Sean Smith did 10 reps on the bench at the combine in 2009. Official time of 4.50. Vertical of 34", nothing special for a corner. 9'11 broad. 4.15 shuttle. 6.92 cone. He was 6'3.5 and 214 at the time.
Ok, so damning may have been a poor choice of words... but compared to his peers, he doesn't appear to be an elite athlete or even close to it. In fact (and please correct me if I'm wrong)... it appears he is below the average in terms of the explosion drills (vert/broad) and speed (40YD). What are you seeing after far more study than I have done that makes you think those numbers are bogus? That he's a much better athlete than measured at the combine?
I don't know, I'm just commenting as a guy who watched some clips of him. What I saw wasn't particualrly compelling or dynamic, as one might expect that he's capable of from his combine numbers. I just didn't see any great effort, production or use of those great physical skills- it would be far better to ask someone who's seen more of him and Southern Miss play. Btw I was looking at some combine results- Cornelious Washington 36 reps and Margus Hunt 38? Hunt doesn;t have long arms, but for both guys- wow.
Well, if Banks can't play football he'll always have a career in porn he can tie that thing into a pretzel.
Sanders Commings 4.48 at 216 lbs- he certainly looks the part and ran great. Very good looking athlete.
what, are you watching from your iphone? There's a time I ducked half way down his run I thought it was gonna break loose and hit me in the head. No wonder he ran a 4.59, he's towing a small car in his pants.
It is interesting. Amerson runs a 4.38 while Banks runs a 4.59 on their first attempt. Yet, put on the tape of the two playing against Cordarrelle Patterson. Which one did Patterson toast repeatedly, and which one did Patterson only have 1 reception against in coverage?
