I just saw the Swope gauntlet drill again- he catches fine. One slipped away from him, he got pissed and then dropped the next one. Of course you don't want to see the drops, but his technique looked fine- I doubt that catching the ball is considered an issue with him. ps of the WRs I saw Patton looked the best catching, and Tyler Bray certainly looks the part of NFL QB, big guy and a very big arm. Very impressed by his arm, looks like a natural throwing the football.
I think where some Gm's sometimes outsmart themselves is not understanding or placing correct value on a solid football player that has longevity in their repertoire..meaning when it's all said and done, he might have just as much value in the long run as many other first round picks because how consistent his skillset can be relative to a specific offense. An example Lamike James..people were trying to tell me that guy would be a fourth round pick, maybe third if he was lucky, in two years that guy will have the value of a first round pick, there are some players that have very little bust potential and I don't think proper value is placed on that all the time.. When you feel confident that your going to solidify a position for a long time, the players should go up on your own board.. Russell Wilson has easy top 10 value at this point,but perceptions and some measurable shot him down for just that, pure perception, huge mistake by a lot of GMs..same thing for Swope at this stage.. Their humans Roz, they make mistakes all the time, that's the game we play here..
Fuller had a lot of drops as a senior, and as I recall it seemed to be more of a problem after Tannehill became the starter.
I really like Swope, but I don't see 4.3 speed on the field. I think he's a football player. I think he also happens to be a good track guy, but I think this might be one of those examples of the Combine adding some useless information. What I like about him as a football player is the toughness, smarts and good hands. I think he does the little things well. I agree with the Jordy Nelson comparison in terms of their play style. I do believe he makes it to the third round. I would be very happy with Bailey in the second and Swope in the third.
totally agree that value is often mislabeled on these guys… I mean look at R Jones… does anyone think he is a 5th round value now? my original question had more to do with what would prevent him from being a #1 WR on the field. BTW, my last name is Mroz… lol yeah, I am probably the only dumbass that uses his real name on the internet...
You could make a fairly strong point at this stage to say that Randall Cobb was more of a "number one" in 2012 than either of them.
Si.com's Player's poll of NFL's Fastest of 2011: #9 Percy Harvin (4.39) #11 Reggie Bush (4.37) #13 CJ Spiller (4.37) Yup, Swope's deffffinitely faster than these burners and belongs in the NFL's top 8 even though he can barely outpace 4.83 Travis Lewis playing with a broken toe (at the 2.55 mark below).... and doesn't outpace 4.54 pro day Greg Gatson (#28) at the 2:05 mark. [video=youtube;agsMmAL_nn8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=agsMmAL_nn8[/video] ... MEANWHILE.... here's Spiller separating himself sooo far from Bama defenders they're no longer in the goddam picture. [video=youtube;og0FeJLejdk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og0FeJLejdk&playnext=1&list=PL0A43D75E1D75 3B52&feature=results_video[/video] Here's Spiller running away from an NFL team with 4.35 LaRon Landry unable to close despite having the angle and CJ having to redirect himself. 3:31 mark [video=youtube;MqNHjPE_RYI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqNHjPE_RYI[/video] Spiller PULLING AWAY from 4.38 Devin McCourty: [video=youtube;6rKYFHRn9Cw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rKYFHRn9Cw[/video] There's 2 years of film on Swope. Surely if he's a legitimate 4.34 guy there's tape of him running away from players who don't just run 4.5 and slower. No, you and Jim are right, he suddenly transformed himself into an All American track star and legitimately runs a faster 40 than CJ Spiller whose "official" time is 4.37 despite back to back 4.27 & 4.28. Meanwhile, Swope's initial time was like 4.44. Sorry, you guys should think about checking into some sort of substance abuse program if you think he's a 4.34 guy.
Well, if the NFL believes Swope's time is accurate he'll be drafted in the first round.... so we'll see how that goes.
He ran a 4.38 unofficial and a 4.34 official on the track today. Period. No one is saying what you said about his being a track star. Like Raf said maybe he is not quite as field fast as he is track fast. Though he is plenty fast enough on the field for that matter. Just give the guy some gawddamn credit for crissakes and admit he is faster than you previously thought he was. The timers today did not conspire to give Swope a better 40 time than he actually ran. It was a level playing field for everyone who ran at this combine. That is all. Maybe if Spiller ran at this venue at this time, he'd have ran a 4.3 flat. Who knows?
When I watched Tannehill's tape at Texas A&M, throwing to Swopes, I could have sworn Swopes was a 4.5 guy. I have to admit... I'm surprised.
I saw a 4.4 guy. Never understood why people thought he ran that slow. There were many plays he out ran the secondary into the end zone. I would love it if we drafted him.
Maybe the frame rate of my videos are slow LOL.... This guy is as fast as Desean Jackson and when I watch Desean run I can see his track speed. Maybe I just didn't feel it with Swopes or I just didn't watch him close enough. Anyway, if Jackson can do what he does in a WCO it'll be interesting to see if Swopes can be as good as Jackson in the NFL.
Didn't Spiller get caught from behind by Olivier Vernon this year? Guess that means he isn't a burner.
Swope's first attempt was a 4.44. You and Jim essentially are saying he's a track star by saying his 4.34 is legit despite it being "faster" than Spiller's "4.37" even though Spiller IS a track star. Spiller's unoffical times were 4.27 & 4.28. Swope's unofficials were 4.38 & 4.4, an average of 4.42. .... but then the officals were suddenly 4.37 for Spiller and 4.34 for Swope. That's a bunch of bologna. Swope wasn't able to crack the top 200 track guys in the country in the 100 meter and can barely separate from players who time 4.5+ on the field, but I'm supposed to believe he's now a faster track guy than Spiller who is an All American track star and does outpace players who time in the 4.3's? Cmon, gimme a break. A 4.42 average is definitely better than I thought he'd run based on how he compared to last year's timed players. That's all the credit he gets from me; however giving him credit with a 4.34 is ridiculous IMO, WADR. Like I said, if he actually DOES run a 4.34 it'll be verified by every NFL team doing their own speed assessment of him and he'll be drafted in the 1st round. Spiller 40 run at 0:24. Swope's run was nothing like that. [video=youtube;s217ecGo2Mc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s217ecGo2Mc&playnext=1&list=PL82CA080F5DDE A460&feature=results_video[/video] I don't get why you keep saying it's a level playing field when it clearly showed via the Goodwin-Austin simulcam that discrepancies can happen. If that happened on Swope's run he's right back at the average of his 2 unoffical times, which were definitely good but nothing like running a 4.34.
Uh, at the 2:05 mark #28 totally had the angle on him as Swope was flying down the sideline after hurdling the first guy, horrible example. You make it seem as if he caught Swope from behind, which is bogus and you know it. At 2:55 his speed allowed him to coast into the end zone- there was no need to drastically pick up the pace because his 4.34 speed allowed him the luxury of never being in danger of getting caught from behind, he coasted in like a speedster. And that includes your #28 chasing him, who didn't have a chance of catching him and gave up. He tried to catch Swope, actually from behind this time, and utterly failed. Swope ran a 4.34 and you're basically crying conspiracy and delusion over here- I wouldn't make an issue of it under normal circumstances, but you're giving piss poor examples and simply refuse to give Swope any credit- maybe he beat up your puppy, swung your cat by the tail, I have no idea. You'll make any possible excuse for Ansah that you can come up with, subjectively, yet Swope ran a scouting combine timed 4.34, objectively, and you feel the need to pee in his cheerios instead of giving him a little bit of credit. That's tied for the 2nd fastest of all the WRs- he thoroughly proved you wrong as you've been claiming for months that he's not fast. Check your posts from a few months ago- Swope proved you dead wrong. Better to be a man and admit it than to sling mud and use any half witted excuse to detract from his success at the combine. Swope doesn't look like one of the fastest guy out there, but yet the clock says that he is- maybe you need to rethink who the delusional one really is when it comes to Swope's speed. And as to Spiller, Harvin, etc- guys with major wheels- just because they didn't time great at the combine, that doesn't mean that they aren't extremely fast- they just didn't run well at the combine. I never said that Swope is faster than Harvin or Spiller, nor would I. You're reverting to bad habits with your misuse of deductive reasoning- in your mind, somehow, if one acknowledges that Swope did in fact run a 4.34, then there's a simultaneous admission that he's faster than Harvin, Spiller, etc. That's a fail in deductive reasoning- the simpler solution and explanation is that Harvin and Spiller didn't run to their true potentials at the combine- both players are smoking fast. Joe Adams ran an official 4.55 at the combine last year- he's way faster than that. But- Swope DID run an official 4.34, tied for 2nd fastest among the WRs, it rubs you the wrong way, and you're going to have to get used to it and accept it. He blew away the 4.4 that you said months ago that he'd never come close to running- deal with it, because although you seem hell bent on doing it, you can't take that official 4.34 time away from him. Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't in Indy, the 40 wasn't run anywhere near Hangar 18 in Roswell NM- there is no conspiracy. Swope ran, and he ran fast. End of story.
it has nothing to do with Clemson you putz. Spiller was simply the easiest example I could think of to compare with. Would it have made a difference if I used Percy Harvin's 4.39 or Reggie Bush's 4.37 and then posted clips of them pulling away from guys much faster than the 4.5+ defenders Swope could barely outrun? I mean, cmon, tell me which one of these things isn't quite like the other: Swope- 4.34 Spiller- 4.37 Bush- 4.37 Harvin- 4.39 .... and don't say white. lol
Fine, go by the unofficial averages. He is still far faster than you believe prior to the combine. Admit it.
Wrong. Spiller didn't "run poorly" at the combine. His unoffical times were 4.27 & 4.28, hence cementing his status as a high 1st round pick. You can watch the above clip to see he was flying. Swope averaged a 4.42 and then suddenly his official "improved" by nearly a tenth. Like I said, overlap Spiller's combine runs with Swopes and see how far Swope trails. It's not a fail in deductive reasoning in the least. Spiller's "official" time was 4.37 despite unofficially averaging a blazing 4.28 and looked every bit that fast on his runs; therefore if you think Swope (4.42 average) is a legitimate 4.34 b/c that's what the "official" time says, then you're by default saying you think he's faster than Spiller. If you think he's a 4.34 guy then you'll have no problem saying you firmly believe he's going in the 1st round just as anyone with his ability and "4.34" speed would go.
Uhh, you have some rather unique perspectives and uses of logic, and I don't mean that in a good way. Quoting you here: "I mean, cmon, tell me which one of these things isn't quite like the other: Swope- 4.34 Spiller- 4.37 Bush- 4.37 Harvin- 4.39" That is how you presented it, no? That's what I was referring to, your words, not mine- I was unaware of Spiller's official 40 time- you're the one who listed the 4.37. I'll try this again- regardless of what Spiller's official 40 time was, that doesn't mean that I necessarily think that he's slower than Swope- re-read my previous email if it helps. Every time you start using terms like "therefore" and "then you're by default saying"- the consistent result is that you're wrong and you put your foot right in your mouth. I am not saying that Swop is faster than Spiller or Harvin- Swope ran a 4.34, tied for 2nd best among all WRs- deal with it. If Ansah runs a 4.5 this week you can pleasure yourself thinking about it and forget all about Swope and his speed that you thought he never had.
I like how you completely ignore the 4.44 Swope also ran and blindly assume the faster "official" time is the correct one even though CK has finely pointed out how it's the UNOFFICIAL times that are most accurate. I give Swope credit for running a 4.42 average b/c on tape he BARELY outpaces numerous guys who clock 4.5 and slower, including a 4.8 linebacker. I said he's a 4.5 guy b/c that's what his tape says- as doesn't outpace anyone but doesn't get caught from behind when he has a lead either. That translates to 4.5ish give or take. I said I thought he could get into the 4.4s if he trained for the combine. His realistic 4.42 is clearly better than the high 4's I thought he might run, but he IS NOT a 4.3 guy. You've done nothing but stick to one isolated combine time which has been proven to not always be accurate, yet when asked to show examples of his on field speed you can't do any better than comparing him to 4.5 and slower guys whom he barely outruns. You find me a few sub 4.4 guys Swope runs step for step with or outpaces and I'll be the first to send you a six pack of your favorite beer. But no, you've completely twisted one imperfect time into Swope suddenly playing with 4.34 speed as you said in this gem of a comment: "because his 4.34 speed allowed him the luxury of never being in danger of getting caught from behind, he coasted in like a speedster". Make fun of my affinity for Ansah all you like. He's going top 10 which will only make your poor evaluation of him all the more silly.
Of course I'll admit to that. His tape says 4.5 for good reason. There are no examples of him running in the 4.3s when compared on the field to players who timed at the Combine and Pro Days last year. I thought he might get into the high 4's, so 4.42 is definitely better than I thought he had in him.
Have you found any tape of Swope getting caught from behind yet? As to Ansah, I don't dislike him, I just have a problem with his clear, major flaw- he is unskilled and so far untalented as a straight up beat the OT in front of him pass rusher, and I think that he's a bad fit for Miami because of that not meshing with our pass rushing needs. I have no idea why you have the need to dump on Swope- he's fast enough to run away from players on film, yet you don;t approve of the defenders getting smoked- the ball is in your court to find him getting caught from behind, indulge me if you will. Btw your "well he's a 4.5 guy like I said and those players don't get caught from behind but don't outpace either" theory blows- case in point Brian Hartline who's right around a 4.5 guy and does get caught form behind and certainly has a problem pulling away. You're still consistently missing the point- Swope ran a 4.34, he did good- it means that he's capable of running that fast, and it's a very good speed for a WR- that's all. For all I know Harvin or Spiller are capable of running 4.2 flat- to a certain extent the combine times are neither here nor there with regards to their true capabilities. Your basic assumption is that Harvin's, et al speed is defined and limited by their combine 40 times, and that simply isn't the case- clearly. Your inferential leaps that if Swope actually ran a 4.34 he must be faster than Harvin- sorry, but that's laughable. Try to process this- the combine 40 times are not the final word, the end all/be all, of what a player's true speed is. That makes you're "well, if you think that Swope actually ran a 4.34 then you're saying that he's faster than so and so- ridiculous. What Swope's 4.34 time means is simply that he's capable of running a 4.34, and that's pretty darned fast.
It'd be a lot easier for me to take you seriously and agree about Swope's "speed" but you make it nearly impossible with comments like the one I previously quoted ("there was no need to drastically pick up the pace because his 4.34 speed allowed him the luxury of never being in danger of getting caught from behind, he coasted in like a speedster."). Had you tried to make the simple argument of Swope being faster than given credit for and leave it at that, I would've happily agreed, but unfortunately you went into full on 4.34 mode which is about as believable as the Foster's commercial where the croc bites off the bungee jumper's head. 4.42 is still faster than he plays, but at least that's buyable b/c he could've obviously spent the past few months training to get his time up. 4.42 is a very good time for him; hell it's good period. I'm impressed he got his speed up to that b/c I doubted he had it in him. Hopefully it's not just temporary track speed and it carries over into next year..... provided we draft him.
Here's a nice little Ryan Swope highlight compilation for y'all. [video=youtube;howDumVCmfU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=howDumVCmfU[/video]
One thing about Swope I like, are the length of his legs. He looks so much shorter than he really is because he's got short legs and a longer torso. Short legs always seems to correlate to body control and explosion. As for a for instance, Welker and Bess. Although they don't possess his speed. You just watch, he'll either be a Dolphin or a Patriot. With that 40 time and his relationship with Tannehill (best friends), I am warming up to idea of us drafting Swope. Still have Bailey and Patton as my #1 and #2 choices.
And just for comparison, here is Jordy Nelson at Kansas State. [video=youtube;mIUu-nLx0lw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIUu-nLx0lw[/video] Jordy is a little bigger than Ryan, but they really look a lot a like to me in the way they play. In fact, many of the things some on this board and some of the draft pundits are saying about Ryan Swope today were also said about Jordy Nelson back in 2008. Names such as Devin Thomas, Donnie Avery, James Hardy, and Malcolm Kelly are just a few that were rated ahead of him in that draft.
He would be a # 1 on the Miami dolphins..lol I know what your saying, can you win with Swope being your #1, well it depends on #2 and #3, and the style of offense you run, I think maybe the question you are trying to get at is with his kind of speed, why isn't he considered first round material.? Relatively speaking, you have a prototype, I would say because of catch radius, change of direction explosiveness, lack of prototype size, and strength to beat the jam consistently is not what that prototype is.. He's not far off with a sub 4.4, and pretty decent size.
I believe jordy to be the more graceful athlete, more ability to adjust to the ball in the air, but I'm not complaining about swope, I'm a fan.
Who was #10 wide receiver at the combine? Hate the coverage by the NFL network, I mean I love it because its on but there's so much they could improve, like putting up the kids names when it's their turn, sometimes they do, most if the time they don't.
