Eh, those balls were thrown right on him. If you watch him on tape you will see he has great hands. A lot of times natural catchers will have some problems in those drills if the balls are thrown right at them, compared to a little bit ahead of them. There is a lot of human error attributed to that drill because you have a lot of different QBs throwing you the ball in a row. if one QB holds the ball a fraction of a second too long it can throw off the timing for the rest of the drill and you look like an idiot; which is what I suspect happened.
I don't think he is a bad person or a bad teammate though. If you are referring to why he quit/was kicked off of WSU's team this past year I tend to side with Wilson... Could he have overreacted? Yes. But at the same time Leech does have a reputation. I don't think Wilson would have a problem here as Philbin and most of our coaches seem to treat our players with respect. He could be a late round steal given his history though.
Just to add to that, he is a good body catcher, and I believe in his role it's necessary to be good at it, this whole thing about catching with your hands ALL the time is getting out if control, there are absolutely necessary times to catch the ball with your body instead of extending that can be pivotal to the outcome of the play.. Wes Welker is genius at the art of the body catch.
Well, I'm willing based on what I know to give him the benefit of the doubt, that his coach Mike Leach, a known douche, was a big part of the problem. Character issues for two of my other favorites as well, Ogletree and Da'Rick Rogers. Both are compelling talents imo, we'll see in the future how they do.
There are so many potential starters, and so many different paths we can take as a team this offseason that this whole process is becoming quite maddening. Does anybody feel the same?
No sir, that's not what I'm referring to, I had formed this opinion about him before all that sh&$ went down..just from what I seen, and I understand that I don't know him as a person and all, but just from what I've seen, the dude is a punk.
Go outside try to run in a straight line, body catch one ball while continuing to run, then drop the ball, and then body catch another ball in less than a second coming from the opposite side. It's not a natural drill. How can you body catch while running in a straight line? Sure you can turn your torso, but they will lead your feet and you will weave (which is frowned upon). It would also slow your stride and potentially throw your timing off for the remaining of the drill. Again, if you watch Swope on tape his hands in general are exceptional.
I will admit it's pretty fun, haha. This Patterson kid just continues to impress, I knew he was going to have a good combine but I guess that's not going out on too much of a limb.
I agree, but I was kind of taken aback how he left the ground for every single ball in the gauntlet. He never catch the ball in stride; it was as if he couldn't catch the ball and have any part of his body touching the ground lol.
I like hearing that, I've stated my fondness for the player..Mocked him to us many times in the 2nd..I think he's a perfect scheme fit..Just gotta lot of good smarts and instincts to work with..it will depend who's on the board, but he's def on mine. Todd's got me a little concerned about his lower half, how's his legs look out there today?
he doesn't play with the same speed as Austin, not even close. I've rarely if ever seen Swope outpace defenders or defeat angles, especially not the way Austin does.
we seem to always think that new college coaches are going to take their guys but how often does that really happen?
They do need oline help really bad, if they try to trade down a bit, it might be a sign, idk, I think they pick at 4.
Quinton Patton looking very good imo- solid, fast twitch, smooth hands. Goodwin looked better running that Austin imo- not surprising, he's an Olympic track athlete. But NFLN overlapped their 40s- no way one was 4.27 and the other 4.34, they were neck and neck from what I saw, almost a dead heat. Imo the combine should electrically time the start and the finish of the 40s, forget these hand timing starts and the human error. Not fair to the participants imo.
and? how is that different than every other receiver who had passes thrown right on them? He looked terrible in the gauntlet, period. It was just an observation; no need for you to go overboard and turn it into a big excuse-making session as if I had just said he's a terrible receiver with terrible hands. However I virtually guarantee every scout/GM in the stadium will go back and rewatch game tape to see if there's need for concern, especially after he reportedly had an issue with drops at the start of Senior Bowl week practice.
Long time ago, I kept hearing his name from folks that I respect as possibly the best in the draft, so I started watching his games isolating him, I just couldn't believe what a pric he was on the field, *****ing at his Qb, showing him up when the ball didnt come his way, I mean really showing him up, in the way where everyone knew he wasn't to blame for the bad play..ignoring coaches on the sideline, acting all superior and sh&$, just don't like his swagger, and if he thinks he's gonna get away with that type of sh&$, he's gonna get his *** kicked, by his own teammates, or the other team..I also think he's gonna struggle at the next level with his core strength, kid goes down with very little contact. 5th 6th round, maybe, but I don't have the privy of interviewing him, maybe he's had a humble experience to check his dumass, but from what I've seen, wouldn't touch him. I wasn't shocked at all to find out that he was kicked off the team.it only confirmed my suspicions
Watch the tape, that's all I am going to say... You can draw conclusions from game tape, not a stupid drill like the gauntlet.
He's not saying that, just that it was an even platform for everyone..Patrick turner was outstanding at the gauntlet.seriously..
I never said you needed to. It's like you're trying to open something up into a straw argument just to be combative. Let me ask you, what's the reason for this drill and GMs & scouts watching it if it's so stupid? NFLN ratings? lol He didn't just look bad in the drill; it was by far the worst performance by any receiver I witnessed. There's likely not a GM in the building who watched it and thought to himself, "eh, no big deal; I don't need to go back to the tape again."
Tavon Austin is an extremely likable guy in his interview. I'd feel completely comfortable using our 1st on him in that regard. Nice to see it was noted an NFL coach said he runs good routes.
Isn't all we've heard from our GM is about finding playmakers..Definition of play maker..Tavon Austin..
Landry Jones' 40 was quite possibly the strangest looking 40 I've ever seen. He looked like he was running in place after about the 25/30 yard mark.
I am sorry but you just cant take a guy with his physical limitations that high in the draft. He may be all that he is cracked up to be but his 174 pound body is going to take a pounding by much bigger men… how long is that going to last? THAT is my concern… not his talent level.
I just don't think that hands are a concern as per Swope. He dropped the 1st one, go pissed then dropped another. I didn;t notice any body catching, he just dropped them. I would be more concerned if he had poor form catching the ball, I think that he's fine in that regard. As to the GMs- imo if anything they're thinking to themselves, damn, this kid really is that fast. He doesn't necessarily look all that fast, but he is. Tanehill called it a while back, look for Swope to rip off about a 4.3. Forget the gauntlet drill, plenty of tape of his solid hands- Swope made some big money today showing off that speed of his.
I know he made a better commitment to get in shape this past year and to eat better, he needed to because last year imo he was in poor condition..when most pundits had him in the first, I wouldn't of sniffed his jock.
I see what your saying..I'm not advocating taking him there...really getting into the Bailey vrs Austin debate though, it's a good one, and should be for the next month
it is… but what I find more interesting is that Swope cranked off a 4.34 40 with a 1.47 10 yard split and he is carrying 31 more pounds than Austin and 22 more than Goodwin. That is freakish IMO
Cool… cause I just dont think he is a 1st round player (though I could see the Pats taking him if they lose Welker)… Bailey IMO is better suited to play WR in the NFL but WTF do I know... Swope is the guy to keep an eye on IMO
but he doesn't play with that speed. If he did he would've pulled away from defenders in the open field and routinely defeated angles the way Austin does, which Swope didn't do. He often maintains the same separation distance while being pursued, which is nice, but that's not a sign of a sub 4.4 guy IMO.
To be fair to Swope I wasn't seeing him get chased from behind by guys in college. He was going against SEC defenders and staying in front. There's a lot to say about that.
Exactly. Plus, he's beating cornerbacks, not just safeties and linebackers. Swope is a Jordy Nelson clone. Plays fast and physical. Can play both inside and outside.
That's true, but nor did I really see him pulling away from defenders either, which leads me to believe his playing speed is slightly above average. However when you watch Markus Wheaton who "timed the same" you see him pull away from defenders, defeat angles, and easily outpace everyone on the field when he wants to.
I dont agree with this WADR. He has a similar game to Nelson but I don't think he's in Nelson's class.
