Dolphins open contract talk with Reggie Bush

Did in the CFL and Training Camp, if one recalls Miller was supposed to handle kickoffs and Thiggy beat him out for that job. And the only way to know what he has a Rb is to put him out there.

hmm, iirc, he caught a 15yrdish pass late in the season when he lined up in the backfield.

 

Not neccessarily, Reggie B can also play some Wr at the slot.

Bush caught the most passes in the NFL for a Rb since he has been in the league, add in his playmaking threat as a Rb and it just makes sense to keep him especially if you are short of playmakers as it is.

 

Oh no, it looks like I've barely escaped with my dignity intact!

It's really not all that complicated. Neither Reggie Bush's inconsistency nor Daniel Thomas' consistency mediocrity are desirable, but one is going to make moving the ball easier in an offense that has to engage in longer sustained drives.

That is completely compatible with the idea that they'll take him back at their price, which isn't exactly the kind of ringing endorsement you are implying. I think everyone is ok with Bush back at a certain price point.

 

I don't think there is a lot of evidence he can do so competently. Can you name an example of where he's made a play doing so?

 

It seemed to me the Bush began to struggle after his knee injury and thats when he started to hesitate and do his east west thing excessivily. I am curious if he had never fully recovered, became gunshy and a little scared, or if he was just playing cautious to squash the durability knock he was wearing. I think it would be premature to cut ties with him and not find out. I would even go as far as overpaying him slightly by matching his last contract numbers. I would not give a pay raise but I would not cut his pay either if thats what it would take to resign him.

 

Bush was having his decision making problems before his knee injury(which was only the third game of the year). The first half of the Raiders game was as notable an example of his issues with zone blocking as at any point in the year, it's just he was able to get away with some of the things that got him in trouble in the latter half of the game.

 

It's one thing to say neither is desirable. Then I say, hey you have an opinion and that's fine.

To say 3.5 every day (while being horrible at short distance situations as CK has pointed out) is better than the guy scoring 8 TDs while being misused is another.

I didn't say it was a ringing endorsement. I said they wanted him back. And they do. Or else they don't offer him a contract or even enter into negotiations. They have a role for him in this offense. IF not they're the worst FO ever.

 

That reception came in the Jacksonville game that Thigpen played slot receiver filling in for an injured Davone Bess.

He had 51 carries in his CFl career. 51 carries and i'm not quite sure how that translates to him being able to carry the ball in the NFL. I do know that up until now Miami has shown no interest in him carrying the ball out of the backfield. He's lined up in the slot and the one carry he did get came with him lined up there. I'm not saying with any certainty that he can't carry the ball as a tailback but to this moment Miami hasn't shown any interest in letting him.

I'm not sure where a ball carrier ranks in Miami's needs but the presence of Marcus Thigpen doesn't change were it ranks. If it's 6th without Thigpen on the roster, it's 6th with him on the roster

 

Of course, and you know this how?

The staff themselves said it took until the end of the year to use Reggie Bush properly, we are not exactly talking risk takers here.

 

Lol I know they've shown no interest to this point to let him carry the ball out of the backfield. This tells me that his presence on the roster doesn't change the need for a RB at all. To this point he's been no more of a RB than Davone Bess is

 

This I absolutely agree with. Miami should try and resign Bush and play him there. He can take advantage of getting the ball out in space. We know he has the hands for it

 

Thomas was not horrible at short yardage last year, and was almost certainly better than Bush. I don't think the 8 touchdowns are at all an accurate representation of Bush's abilities, either.

It doesn't really suggest it would be a big role or he has been offered a contract he will realistically accept.

 

Can you think of one example where Bush lined up at wide receiver and caught a pass in the NFL? I can't.

 

Resigning Bush would be a wise move. Besides being Miami's best play maker the last two years he has probably been the most positive leader the team has had. Without Bush the RB goes from being solid with depth to mediocre and shallow. I don't think Miller and Thomas are going to give too many DC's nightmares in preparing for Miami.

 

Hmm, yes I can, iirc buffalo in 2011 and a couple of other games.

Lined up in the backfield, motioned out to Wr, a Lb picked him up and seems like he caught some passes.

 

Nope, wasn't on NFL Rewind for either game. You might be thinking of a wheel route out of the backfield he had a good gain on.

 

hmm, fairly sure he did dpate, and I'm trying to defend a hopeless point, two years worth of games with other things on my mind, do recall hearing announcers say he line up at Wr and I can recall him catching passes from that look.

As for his time with Saints, would not even know where to start, do recall you were not a fan of Bush the Wr even before he wound up in Miami, you thought his routes were sloppy.

 

I'm glad we are trying to resign him. On an offense lacking in playmakers, it only seems logical to retain the best playmaker we have.

 

That would be Brian Hartline, and it isn't even close if we're talking about plays of 20+ yards.

Actually, if you add Bush's 20+ yard rushes this year AND last year he doesn't have as many 20+ plays as Hartline did this year.

 

Love to see how a defense plays Reggie and Wallace on a double reverse.

 

No we're talking about TDs. And Reggie Bush caught the same amount of TDs in one game as Hartline in two years.

(Like how I defined playmaking as TDs as you defined playmaking as 20+ yards kekekeke)

 

No, we're talking about getting the ball across that magical line known as the goal line. You know, the same one Hartline is allergic to?

 

This really isn't a magic bullet to any(much less every) Hartline related point or misconception you may have.

 

I hope we lock him up honestly would be dumb to let him go he is the only play maker we have atm

 

If the offensive line learns the new blocking scheme.

 

You've never seen Reggie Bush line up in the slot?

 

like to see reggie back but cant see it ,keep hearing /seeing the dolphins view him as a "luxury." !!!!

he may well be, but his a playmaker when used correctly which he wasnt most of last year

if he is viewed as a 3rd down back only which i keep reading as well then surely anything more than $3m a year is too much?
and imo thigpen can do those duties ,

if reggie is splitting time with miller then thats a different matter

i see the chargers going after reggie in FA would be a good pick up for them !!!

 

The latest word is that Reggie Bush will not be returning to Miami.

As I anticipated, the Dolphins weren't serious about bringing him back. I think they would have been receptive if he had been willing to come back as a back up/niche player, as they clearly want to go forward with Lamar Miller at running back. Word is, they see Reggie as more of a luxury than a building block. That's exactly how I see him. You can't build a consistent ground game around Reggie Bush.

In the long run, I think Miami will also see Mike Wallace as a luxury and not the building block that many fans think he is.

 

Word from whom?

 

The organization treating Bush like a luxury should bother everyone. Honestly,

 

Ian Rapoport from NFL.com via Twitter

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/305477698212470784

 

Thought he played himself out of his role as a feature back, if someone else needs to see the intricacies of his game that are flawed, up close and personal, then so be it..great work ethic, great teammate, average starting running back.

 

for a team that can't score year after year they shouldn't have the word luxury in there vocabulary

 

agreed could surprise a lot of people at dancing with the stars with his skills

 

There's a qualifier to that statement that you should be picking up on.

 

More short-sightedness by our quality GM.

 

Big-play ability without bread and butter competence is simply not that valuable. The eye-popping plays Bush is capable of that the average back can't give you are nice, but they pretty much are negated by the plays an average back should make that Bush didn't.

You want big play ability? Get it on top of a back who can play in the scheme.

 

Question becomes, is Lamar Miller that back?

 

This is the opposite of being short-sighted. He is letting Bush go because we have Miller to slot in as a runningback. That is long-term thinking since Bush isn't the long term answer at runningback.