I'd like to know what your reasoning for thinking that Mike Wallace makes a ton of sense. I'm going to re-post the article from earlier in this thread. http://onmilwaukee.com/sports/articles/packersroutetree.html Mike Wallace is not a receiver that can play both inside and outside. Here is a link to an article Alen did on Mike wallace a year ago: http://blogs.thescore.com/nfl/2012/02/23/the-tape-never-lies-evaluating-rfa-mike-wallace/ In Miami's offense, the outside receivers run more comebacks, digs, and out breaking patterns than anything else. Mike Wallace's strength is his ability to run go routes and fly routes. Unlike a lot of offenses, Miami's offense doesn't have one receiver with the role of the "speed guy" and one receiver with the role of "possession guy". I think that is the general view fans have of receivers though. I think the fans also view this #1 WR and #2 WR nonsense as something the Dolphins should be striving to obtain. The #1 receiver on any particular play in this offense depends upon the concept of the route combination and the coverage the defense is running. This is not an offense that says "so and so is our #1 guy, and we have to get the ball to him."
OK, Usi is out... Over or under 30? You said that only a few people on the board have mentioned it him right? ***Quoting this post was a *****. I was typing inside the quote. It kept saying I needed at least 3 words. I'm also a moron since I kept reloading the page as the solution.
If you have watched Green Bay's offense and Texas A&M's offense under Mike Sherman, you would see that these are key components of the offense. They will run some vertical stuff, but not enough to justify paying Mike Wallace what he wants and also limiting what you can do with the position he plays.
I love Mike Wallace and would welcome him on this team anytime. Yes he might be a one trick pony but when that pony F*'s the other team in the arse a few times a year, it's a good trick. That said, when this video came out last year with Chad, Antonio Brown and Mike Wallace, the first thing I said was, Wallace ran the sloppiest cuts. I know, I know, it isn't game film but still [video=youtube;QcffMecIwDA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcffMecIwDA[/video]
We don't really know what Miami's offense is yet. We know what GB's offense is, and we know what the Dolphins did last year with limited talent at WR, but we don't know what their offense would look like with skill players they want. Mike Wallace makes sense to me because he's young, isn't coming off of an injury, and has the playmaking ability the Dolphins have lacked for a very long time. I said this already, but Ireland has spoken several times about "chunk yardage". There may not be a better "chunk yardage" WR in the NFL than Wallace. He also forces defenses to protect against his speed which should open up the field for Hartline and Bess. And as for the #1, #2 thing I completely agree. That's why I feel Wallace is a good fit. He doesn't have to get a heavy number of targets to make a big impact on a game, whereas a guy like Dwayne Bowe does. Maybe I'm wrong and the offensive blueprint is exactly what you say it is. Maybe this is all what Ireland wants people to think while he prepares to make a run at Jennings. My gut tells me otherwise though. We will see.
Other than this year Bowe has had roughly a 56% catch rate. Same as Hartline. I don't get where this "he needs to be thrown a lot" stuff comes from. His best year he was thrown at 128 times. Hartline this year? 131. Bowe 15 TDs. Last year 141. Whoopie.
No it means his name starts with a consonant. So its probably Consonantavious Jones, RG from Arizona.
How many disciples of the Bill Walsh West Coast Offense have you seen drastically deviate from the overall philosophy? Mike Sherman probably runs things as close to the way that Mike Holmgren ran them as any of the current WCO disciples in the NFL. I disagree with your notion that we do not know what offense we are running. We know exactly what offense we are running. We certainly aren't running the Air Coryell style any longer that we have dabbled with under Norv Turner, Cam Cameron, and Dan Henning to an extent. In that style, yes. You would have one receiver with the role of possession guy and the 2nd receiver with the role of speed guy. IMO, if Mike Wallace is signed, it is a sign that there is a disconnect between the front office and coaching staff on what style of player is needed and not that Joe Philbin/Mike Sherman are completely willing to assimilate a one trick pony on a big contract into the offense.
Yeah I've never really bought that argument to be honest. He's not a deep burner but that doesn't mean he doesn't command safety help over top. Sometimes the safety help over top is a lot more about giving the corner a security blanket which allows him the ability to be super aggressive and sit on the short and intermediate routes. This was the case with Brandon Marshall. The argument I buy more with Bowe is his attitude and work ethic...it's not something I can speak to firsthand obviously, but the rumors out of KC have been persistent in that regard. As long as he didn't throw a weight slab at his head I'm not as inclined to worry about arguments with Todd Haley as I saw Anquan Boldin lose his sh-t at Todd Haley during a playoff game once, and Haley is known as a total a-hole. But work ethic problems would tend to bother me. He gets paid, and then what?
PFF's Cb FA's https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/02/22/ranking-the-2013-free-agents-cornerbacks-2/ Pac Man is in an interesting name, wonder if his connection to Coyle puts him on our radar? I liked Keenan Lewis coming up, and Pitt is in a bad way Cap wise, but hands of stone.
I was told the exact opposite of what I was expecting to be told. I was told that Omar Kelly' story is 100 percent absolutely positively accurate Was told that mike wallace EXPECTS to recieve a contract offer from the Miami Dolphins
wow..... hey maybe they are going more to a spread offense, with a guy that stretches it.... I dont want the dink and dunk Sherman crap, this sounds positive to me Sec thanks....
Yeah, OK. But, maybe what he expects and what he gets end up being two totally different things. I'm guessing that's what you may have been thinking as well, otherwise you probably wouldn't have capitalized "EXPECTS?"
Crazy. I think I could warm up to this haha. But if we get Wallace, I'd want to resign Hartline and spend a 2nd rd pick on another. No need to get both Wallace and Jennings, unless of course, we don't resign Hartline. WR1: Wallace WR2: Hartline WR3: Bess WR1: Wallace WR2: Jennings WR3: Bess Either sounds good to me!
This was my first thought as well. It sounds like the source of the story is coming from Mike Wallace's camp. They not only have an interest in convincing everyone that the Dolphins are onto their client, the Dolphins may have an interest in giving them the impression they will make a contract offer once free agency begins. I'll believe it when I see it. Also, even if the offer does come, history suggests it could easily be an offer of like $8 million per year, which is far below what Wallace has in mind.
yes work ethic bugs me. But either the coaches believe he can change, or doesn't. There hasn't been much talk about Bowe to Miami so I think our FO isn't biting anyway.
I just heard some news through the entirely convoluted grape vine, from a source that is obviously a scout (he's in Indy, it was answered face to face, so not sure why he'd discuss free agents) who said that Miami doesn't plan on leaving Indy without Randy Starks agent having agreed to principal terms edit: Submitted too soon. It's like 3 steps removed though haha. My ex-colleague isn't part of the Combine production team, so he's hearing this from a co-worker who IS, who asked them apparently in a hotel lobby when they were chit chatting. So yeah that's like a game of telephone. Also interesting is that apparently it's combine wide knowledge that the Jets are shopping the ****** out of Revis.
Good point. It's probably a bit of both. Miami is probably interested, and Wallace's camp is probably trying to use this interest to drive up his market price. We could easily offer him a contract but that doesn't mean it'll be the highest between us and the Browns. I wonder if he would favor Cleveland for the chance to square off biannually against the team he might've felt slighted him.
A firm commitment to keeping Randy Starks does change some things as far as the FA/Draft strategy are concerned. I like it. I'd move Jared Odrick to tackle anyway. It's what I would have done last year. Have him rotate with Starks and Soliai at DT. Plenty of snaps to go around between the three of them. I thought all three were overworked a year ago.
Here is a question..... Let's say that Wallace is in the bag. Hartline demands the same money that Greg Jennings wants. Who gets your money? I say..give it to Jennings.
If Jennings & Hartline are up for the same dollars, then Jennings without batting an eye. If they are up for the same dollars but with Jennings I'd also have to punch myself in the nuts everyday for a week, then Jennings without batting an eye. If they are up for the same dollars but with Jennings I'd also have to punch myself in the nuts everyday for a week while eating coleslaw, then Jennings but it'd think about it for a second.
If it's the same money or even somewhat close (within $1-1.5 million) I don't think there's any question you give it to Greg Jennings. That could be the source of all this "the Dolphins could sign both!" stuff. But realistically I think if you give Wallace the $11 million contract he's seeking then you don't bother with either Hartline or Jennings. I think at that point you have Davone Bess and you try and manufacture a #2 via the Draft or a lower priced free agent (I like Domenik Hixon).
I'd move him there and rotate the 3 of them too. Soliai however I do not think was overworked, while Starks and Odrick were. Soliai had about 625 snaps, Starks about 825, and Odrick about 950, just off the top of my head. I think not having McDaniel available much of the year contributed to the overwork. Perhaps he'll take a small contract again to resign as the 4th DT or more likely Randall will be ready for an increased workload.
What if they want the same money, but you know Jennings totally loves coleslaw while Hartline totally is repulsed by it?
Soliai had 450 snaps in 2011 though. I thought there were times he was both overworked during the game but also just put on the field in situations and against personnel packages where he wasn't going to do much good. I'm just looking at 39% increase in playing time for Soliai, 22% increase for Randy Starks, and 59% increase for Jared Odrick...and I wonder about that. I think they needed another body.
I thought Coach Philbin's GB WCO employed a lot vertical concepts, maybe not quite like Andy Reid but enough to where Wallace could be a target. We desperately need a vertical element; I don't think we should ignore Wallace and remain dink-n-dunk just b/c Wallace doesn't run a full route tree exceptionally well. Wallace's vertical presence but lack of full route tree ability is still night and day better than having no vertical presence at all. Besides, I think people are forgetting the fact Wallace averages 10.0 yards per attempt FOR HIS CAREER. WADR to Hartline supporters, it's quite irksome watching posters build their Hartline case around his yards per attempt average and then be so openly against Wallace whose average is 1.5 yards better than Hartline's 8.5. That's hypocrisy at its finest, and that's not including Wallace's 26 more touchdowns. Let's take it even further and note Wallace's 40% first down rate per target which is identical to Hartline's but with 32 more 1st downs. YAC yards: 527 more for Wallace. What I find the MOST INACCURATE is the notion Wallace isn't a factor in the short passing game. 2012: Passes thrown behind the LOS and up to 10 yards[TABLE="class: grid, width: 500"] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]catches[/TD] [TD]targets[/TD] [TD]%[/TD] [TD]yards[/TD] [TD]avg[/TD] [TD]YAC[/TD] [TD]TDs[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Wallace[/TD] [TD]45[/TD] [TD]64[/TD] [TD]70[/TD] [TD]382[/TD] [TD]6.00[/TD] [TD]225[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Hartline[/TD] [TD]43[/TD] [TD]70[/TD] [TD]61[/TD] [TD]362[/TD] [TD]5.17[/TD] [TD]128[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Career Wallace: 142 catches, 1474 yards, 7 TD Hartline: 106 catches, 1001 yards, 1 TD So who has been more effective in the short passing game? Who has more 1st downs? Who has a greater average per attempt? Who has more TDs? Add it all up and who is the better & more efficient receiver?
