Free Agency Thread? Free Agency Thread.

how can you not see Richardson as a fit if Starks is not retained?, the guy has the potential to be a monster next to a true nose like Solai, plus he can move around everywhere.

Do you not see Floyd as being a 0 technique skillset, like Solai truly is?

 

Floyd and Richardson both appear best suited for 3 technique 1 gap roles. IMO. Either one would do fine next to Soliai. Still don't wanna lose Starks though. 0 tech, I'd think more of a John Jenkins, Johnathan Hankins, Jesse Williams, or Brandon Williams types.

 

0 technique is a nose guard, Vince Wilfork, Casey Hampton, Paul Solai imo, now I do realize Floyd is a large man that moves very well, but to me, because we have Solai on the roster, I would like more quickness and agility, more ability to rush the passer and play behind the Los..which imo Sheldon brings to the table.

 

I agree with you bubs.

 

Yes, I understand that. Hence the players I mentioned as being best suited for 0 tech. Floyd is best suited for 3 tech IMO, and so is Richardson. Floyd could probably play any DT tech though IMO better suited for the 3. Floyd is much more similar to Richardson than he is to Jenkins, Hankins or any of the Williams.

 

I'd just say watch more of Floyd's tape.

In regard to Richardson being a fit for the 3 technique if Starks walks. Yeah, he's a fit. I simply think Sharrif Floyd is a better all-around player, especially against the run. You were talking about Richardson playing the 5 technique and moving Odrick inside as another option; not sure why you'd do that - I think Richardson is a better 3 than Odrick and Odrick is a better 5 than Richardson. But if Miami did that, I think they'd be more apt to taking a bigger, true DE like Datone Jones, Malliciah Goodman, or William Gholston to fill Odrick's spot than try and convert a DT there. Just my opinion.

 

FWIW- I don't recall whether I heard this on Sirius NFL radio or read it via twitter, but last week one national pundit made mention that he's spoken to a bunch of NFL general managers and he has yet to find one that thinks Sharrif Floyd makes it out of the top 10. I know Mayock came out with his positional ranks the other day and has Floyd ranked higher than Lotulelei at the moment.

Also, while we all have done a lot of conjecture about Defensive ends in this draft, remember that just a few weeks ago Jeff Ireland was quoted as saying "...he's building a team to win his division, and that means "building pressure up the middle."".

Certainly wouldn't surprise me if Richardson (or even Lotulelei if he's there) is high on the list. Even if Starks doesn't walk this year, Soliai is a FA next year.

 

Richardson and Floyd are two completely different players..Shariff Floyd is a downhill player, he's a raging bull that can push around people, mostly in a strait ahead fashion, in no way is he the athlete, nor does he have the quickness or flexibility in his game as it pertains to pass rush and covering space that Sheldon Richardson has, Floyd is strait ahead power, and he's great if that's what you want, In Sheldon I see a a 300 lb man that has moves and speed and agility of someone much smaller..you can't move shariff Floyd outside but I believe you can with Sheldon, I believe you can line up Sheldon next to Solai and have that quick penetrator that can make plays, and I gurantee you he can rush the passer twice as good as Odrick from the outside..

You want a nose guard, Floyd is your man, we already have a nose guard..Sheldon is a complete defensive football player with much more athleticism to his game..if we choose not to resign Starks, then the only decision for me will be Jordan or Richardson..

Imo, Sheldon Richardson will be the better football player over Floyd.

 

Again, why would you want to move Richardson outside if you're drafting him to replace Starks and you still have Odrick? I think moving Odrick inside to play Richardson as a 5 technique would hinder the defense more than help it.

As for the bold, Sharrif Floyd isn't a nose guard. I'm not sure why you keep insisting he is. He's a 3-technique. He's MUCH closer to Randy Starks than Paul Soliai. Heck, he's closer to Richardson than Paul Soliai.

 

Hey we can try to not lowball Calvin Pace again

 

Yes, this. If Miami is keen on finding a NT type to replace Soliai, I wonder if they'd look at some developmental guys later on. Montori Hughes is an interesting case, and I'd look at Brandon Williams from Missouri Southern State and Anthony Rashad White from Michigan State.

Also, I know you'll appreciate this MrClean, but found out yesterday I'm going to Reds Opening Day. It's only the second time I'll have gone; hopefully I can go 2-0.

 

It's funny how that turned out in retrospect. The Jets overpaid Pace to the point it has been a problem. I believe there was also a bit about the Dolphins wanting Pace to step up as a leader and Rex Ryan just letting him be himself, which again turned out swimmingly for the Jets.

 

Funny nobody gives any credit for this.

 

I disagree with your assessment as to who's game he's closer to..

If we let Starks walk, then my thought process was to move Odrick inside to take advantage of what I think he could be better at, but if Sheldon's wants to play inside, then I'm fine with that, and finding a situational pass rusher later.

 

Good point, the guy didn't do much in New York.

 

To each his own.

Regardless, if Miami drafted either Floyd or Richardson, I'd bet dollars to donuts that either of them would be playing the 3-technique spot next to Soliai before Jared Odrick. That said, I think Floyd is a better fit for what Miami does defensively. I don't think Richardson is stout enough against the run compared to Floyd. And while Floyd isn't the athlete Richardson is, he's good enough penetrating and getting to the QB (see their TFL and sack numbers. Strikingly similar).

 

Clearly thanking Ireland for not trading for Kyle Orton got all the publicity.

 

That was Stephen Ross' decision I tell you!

 

What about Carson Palmer?

 

What about Vince Young?

 

Yup, we should totally model ourselves after the Jets.

 

Typical of the Ireland brigade.

The Jets methods really are only a major problem because Sanchez didn't develop. If he had, and was a Top 10 QB then the Jets likely would still be contenders regardless of their cap problems.

Whatever you think of them the Jets had far more success the last 4 years then we did and despite laughing at their cap cocnerns now, it is anything but clear whether our cap prudence has led us to some path of glory

 

Credit for what? From what I remember, we only offered slightly less than the Jets. So we were trying to overpay him too. Ireland et. al. get credit for ... getting outbid by a dumber team? He gets credit for that?

I can see if he offered half what the Jets offered. But news reports were saying "slightly more" money by the Jets. $1.5 million signing bonus difference.

If true. We got lucky.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2008-12-26/sports/0901110154_1_chad-pennington-jets-calvin-pace

He got $22M from the jets.

 

Because Calvin Pace was responsible for all that..

 

He should get credit for not offering a higher contract than the Jets did to Pace. For not entering into a bidding war.

 

And he didn't get hate for "not landing" him? Good thing we don't sign big FAs or make trades.

 

Ok, I'll give you that.

Ireland is not as dumb as Tannebaum. There happy

Not from me. I liked Joey Porter. The FO didn't. This was a replacement for Porter. Porter went on to 17.5 sacks after they tried to replace him.

 

Very happy! Now admit you love Hartline.

 

Hartline is one of my favorite players. Always has been. I like him more than Bess.

What I don't like is when people make him out to be something he isn't.

 

I did too.

 

All of that was done in spite of the horrible personnel moves they made, not because of them.

 

I dunno, I tend to think you'd get gross exaggerations like this on a lot of message boards.

Calvin Pace isn't the Jets defense. He's not the engine of the Jets defensive success, he's not even a particularly big portion of it. I think you can pretty clearly label him a bad pick-up in free agency given how much he was paid, and you can also pretty well justify him as a net negative even without the context of his contract. How bad do you think he ends up if you add up his PFF grading over the length of his contract?

 

Jared Odrick isn't a free agent, and the decision to retain him isn't subject to a decision on giving him another larger contract. It's not at all the same thing.

 

Pace was a good player for the Jets and was an important piece of their defense.

He had as much impact for them as say, Karlos Dansby is having for us now, and they had much more team success.

The Jets cap situation is what it is because after the first AFC Championship appearance they thought Sanchez was a star and they wanted to capitalize on their window with the trade for Holmes, etc. If they had been right about Sanchez they very well may have been in a Super Bowl, and no one would care about the cap problems now.

 

If you wanna buy me a plane ticket to Cincy, I'll be glad to tag along with ya.

If we do look at a NT as an eventual replacement for Soliai, which I doubt we'd do very early anyway, the dude that intrigues me is Jesse Williams. Aussie, former Rugby player, benches 600 lbs. Badass.

 

Not even close.