Dolphins and Hartline are talking contract

Yes..stop trashing it with actual discussion!

 

subtract 1 mil for EACH trip in a wide open space during or after the catch.

Then we are talking contract.

 

This shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone. Hard to see the team letting Hartline go.

 

All joking aside, I for one, want him back...

 

No one really 'wants' to let him go, aside from very few. but NO one wants to resign him for what him and his agent think they should be getting.

 

Looks a lot like Bess returning punts...first guy to touch him and he falls down...

That said, I'd like to see us retain Hartline and i don't think re-signing him prohibits us from acquiring a #1 guy...Much as some have disliked, I think Bowe would fit really nicely in this offense...

On top of that, I fully expect a WR or two in the top 5 picks in April...

Not that he may be asking for the moon, before I worry about that, let's see what they actually make the deal with...I'm sure his agent is putting that kind of info out there...and there are too many other potential #1 in FA for Hartline's camp to be thinking they'd get more elsewhere..

 

Apparently the Dolphins do to the point they don't want him hitting the open market.

 

I think everyone wants him back. Just not at 7 million per season

 

Well, the value fans place on players likely comes out of some fantasy land anyway. I mean, fans on this board don't want to bring Hartline back at an average of $5 million per season, but they would be more than willing to put $10+ million down on the table for Mike Wallace, who is little more than a vertical threat and a poor fit for this offense.

Perspective.

 

If this prevents us from signing a true #1 WR and go into next season status quo at the position.......

 

???? This signing shouldn't be attached to any others. It shouldn't be a linear process.

 

But Hartline wants way more than 5 mil, does he not?

 

I know. Im going by what the article suggested.

 

I think the only numbers we've seen suggested was in the 5-6 million range, and that was greeted with images, falling jokes, and general foolishness.

 

Please no at anywhere near $5 or $6. Would much rather pick up one of the big 3 WRs w that money or use it to re-sign Starks, Jones, or Clemons for cheap.

 

I have this deathly fear that Ireland will re-sign Hartline, draft a WR with our second third round pick, and consider the position solved.

 

Probably has to do with WRs (ie, Laurent Robinson) being vastly overpaid when they hit the open market. There are likely teams dumb enough to give him a 5 year, 35M deal or so...

And no, this doesn't mean I think re-signing Hartline is dumb. I think over-paying him would be dumb... I prefer a contract of 3.5M to 4.5M per year personally.

 

I thought I read on PFT he was looking for 8-9 mil?
Regardless, I dont think he is worth 6 either.

 

I hate fun, too.

I'm all for bringing him back, as long as it doesn't stop us from acquiring better talent at WR as well.

 

This is exactly what I fear Teflon Jeff does.

 

That's pretty irrational considering what we've seen and heard the last year or so.

 

This certainly could be the case, but I don't think it would have anything to do with Hartline.

In reality, there is only one FA WR that I can realistically see in Miami, and thats Jennings. If for some reason that doesn't pan out, then you're playing the dangerous game of hoping to draft particular players, which isn't ideal.

Ultimately I think they end up re-signing Hartline, signing Jennings, and drafting someone in the first two rounds.

 

I think that would be ideal.

 

I think he should get the league average for #2 WRs and not a penny more.

I'll say again though, if we kept him and Bess and just got one more WR who is competent we could be in the playoffs. I cannot stress enough there were NO competent WRs outside of Bess & Hartline. Think about that for a minute...there was no other remotely viable WR on any play.

Since we aren't having fun anymore, I won't say this was Hartline at his combine:

 

Or they could be looking at the fact that teams that have top wide receivers tend to DRAFT them, and that big money free agent wide receivers rarely pan out as expected.

 

You should get out more.

Wait, was that your attempt at sarcasm? How creative and original.

 

My point is proven.

 

Are you taking the position that what a GM does in signing a player at a position doesn;t affect his thought-process towards signing others at the same position? Or that the money he spends is not related to his continued willingness to allocate and spend additional money on the same position?

Because, if so, I disagree.

If not, I misunderstood your post.

 

Well let's just hope this deal isn't for the $6.6 million a year on a 5 year contract that Brian is asking for. I guess I could palate $5 million with the understanding that Davone Bess is not likely to be back in 2014.

But my fear about re-signing Hartline is not just about the money paid to him. It's also about the opportunity cost. I'm not one of those that's all about signing Mike Wallace for $10 million a year. That hasn't been me. But re-signing Brian Hartline at $6 million a year would have an impact on what kind of assets you could justify continuing to invest in the position. It very well may rule out both Greg Jennings and Dwayne Bowe. It may even rule out a player at #12 overall, and even it it doesn't, it may rule out the idea of taking two receivers in the first three rounds.

 

"Back in the van, kids!! NOW!!!"

 

And I will use a CK quote here... "Good is the enemy of great."

That's what happens if you keep Hartline and Bess, then draft some WRs. Because the new talent still won't get on the field much, since Hartline and Bess are experienced and will play #1, #2.

Problem solved!!!

 

You had a point?

 

This.

Plus, even if we add a talented second rounder, he will see the field far less than the 'proven' Hartline and Bess.

Good is the enemy of great.

I'm sick of good and ready for this team to commit to great, rather than settling for decent starters. Even at $5m I don't want Hartline blocking one of those top two receiver spots so a guy who scores more TDs doesn't get the chance to play there and actually contribute some TDs to this offense.

 

I'm saying that the team's assessment of Brian Hartline's value should be independent of any other decisions. The goal should be to maximize the resources, not to acquire a certain player or type of player. The decision to sign other WRs shouldn't really be affected by what they deem Hartline's value to be. Obviously there are positional limitations, but that really doesn't apply to Miami's WR position.

 

The only thing that should rule out another WR is the market for that WR.

 

In a perfect world where we had unlimited funds or no FAs of our own sure. Reality is there's never enough money to do everything you'd like to.