MY Top 20 Draft Prospects-2013 NFL Draft

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  1. Finsanity247

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    20-Jonathan Hankins-Defensive Tackle-Ohio State


    Hankins is a mammoth of man that can read the run well and has the strength to stack and shed blockers with ease. While he is not explosive by any stretch of the imagination he plays with tremendous power which allows him to put offensive linemen on roller skates. One issue Hankins will consistently battle is his conditioning and weight. Teams in search for a nose tackle such as the New Orleans Saints, Pittsburgh Steelers, and Indianapolis Colts would be solid fits for Hankins.

    19-Dion Jordan-Defensive End-Oregon

    When I think of Dion Jordan I think of versatility and the correlation is due to the fact that Jordan is simply an amazing athlete. I feel that he is scheme versatile as we have seen him play with his hand in the dirt and play standing up as well. Jordan's stands at 6"7 and moves like a defensive back. He plays very well in space and has good fluidity in his hips. Teams searching for a pass rusher such as the New Orleans Saints, New York Giants, and New York Jets are strong fits for Dion Jordan.

    18-Cornellius "Tank" Carradine-Defensive End-Florida State

    It it wasn't for an ACL tear against the Florida Gators I think we are looking at a top 15 draft selection. For my money Tank Carradine is as good as any pass rusher in the nation when healthy. He is built like Tarzan and he certainly does NOT play like Jane. Carradine has a tremendously strong lower body that allows him to explode off the ball. There is no question that coaching is needed as Carradine is still "raw" as a player but the tools are there for a feared pass-rusher. Despite injury I view Carradine as a top 45 draft selection with teams such as the New England Patriots, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Miami Dolphins as strong possibilities.

    17-Eric Fisher-Offensive Tackle-Central Michigan

    This guy was the MVP of the Senior Bowl and earned himself some serious money to boot. After junior Taylor Lewan (Michigan) and Jake Matthews (TAMU) decided to return to school for their senior season the 2013 draft class didn't look so strong but it surely provided an opportunity for someone to make a giant leap. Fisher certainly looks the part of an NFL left tackle and his polish makes him extremely desirable in the top 12 picks of the 2013 NFL draft. Fisher has above average strength and excellent footwork making him a strong run blocker and one of the best pass protectors in the draft. The Arizona Cardinals and San Diego Chargers are teams that scream for the services of Eric Fisher.


    16-Cordarrelle Patterson-Wide Receiver-Tennessee

    While watching for Justin Hunter and Da'Rick Rogers it was Cordarrelle Patterson that stood out as the receiver to get from the University of Tennessee. There is tremendous upside in drafting Patterson and while he might not light the world on fire initially he has the tools to be the best receiver in this draft. He has great size standing at 6"4 and his ability to make defenders miss in the open field separates him from the pack. The best part of Patterson's game is his body control but one area he needs to improve is using his big frame to box out defenders. I would confidently argue that the ceiling for Cordarrelle Patterson is higher than any receiver in the draft. Teams such as the Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins, and St. Louis Rams should watch Mr. Patterson closely.

    15-Keenan Allen-Wide Receiver-California

    I know that Keenan Allen's statistics will not jump off the page but please remember that he was surrounded by horrible quarterback play while at Cal. Allen possesses the perfect combination of size, speed, and strength making him a legitimate candidate to be the first receiver selected in the 2013 draft. I would no go crazy and draw comparisons to Julio Jones or A.J. Green but think he is every bit the player that Justin Blackmon was coming out of Oklahoma State.


    14-Geno Smith-Quarterback-West Virginia

    Surely Geno Smith benefited from having very capable receivers (Tavon Austin & Stedman Bailey) at his disposal but there is no questioning the athletic ability and accuracy that Smith brings to the table. Geno Smith is the best quarterback in the 2013 NFL Draft and will have teams like the Kansas City Chiefs, Arizona Cardinals, and Buffalo Bills salivating for his services. I would not say he has a "strong" arm but he can drive the ball and make all the throws at the next level. The areas where he needs to improve the most is throwing outside the numbers and limit turnovers.

    13-Tyler Eifert-Tight End-Notre Dame

    I feel I am going to get tarred and feathered for having Eifert this high but we live in a day and age where tight ends are significant contributors to the passing game with Rob Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham being case and point. Eifert has better hands than tight end in this draft and his athleticism makes him a serious threat in the seem. Eifert is a mismatch for linebackers due to his quickness and strong route running. The thing I like best about Eifert is that he is as reliable as it comes making tough catch after tough catch. He will need to become a better blocker at the next level but whomever drafts Eifert is getting one hell of a football player.

    12-Tavon Austin-Wide Receiver-West Virginia

    Dolphins' fans will be reminded of Ted Ginn Jr. but when I watch Tavon Austin I see a more dangerous Percy Harvin. Austin has the speed to kill and is as dangerous as any draft-able player when the ball is in his hands. He is quicker than he is fast and has ability to hit a gear that makes defenders look slow. He can help a team in the return game as well as we have seen him make big play after big play returning kicks. Austin's frame does draw reason for concern as he small in stature but unlike the previously mentioned Ginn, Austin has marbles and does not shy from contact. I see the New England Patriots and Houston Texans as ideal fits for Austin.

    11-Ezekial Ansah-Defensive End-BYU

    Ansah was impressive during the Senior bowl game showing tremendous pursuit and athleticism. Ansah is just so physically impressive and that will blow scouts away. I have seen some comparisons to Jason Pierre Paul and I don't see them personally. My comparison for Ansah would be a more athletic Justin Smith. I see Ansah's future as the ideal five technique in a 34 defense.

    10-Chance Warmack-Guard-Alabama

    I have Warmack at ten due to his position as guards usually are not so highly sought after. This is a bold statement but one I am willing to make...Chance Warmack is the best guard prospects I have ever seen. He has the power, strength, and athleticism to dominate defenders and maul opponents in the running game. His ability to move defenders at the point of attack is simply remarkable and while he isn't made of muscle he curely isn't lazy. The Tennessee Titans, St. Louis Rams, and Dallas Cowboys seem like good matches for Warmack.


    9-Jarvis Jones-Outside Linebacker-Georgia

    There is a major medical concern here as Jarvis Jones has been diagnosed with spinal stenosis. Spinal stenosis is a narrowing of the spinal cord which tends to cut careers short. If not for this there is no question that I would have Jarvis Jones as the best player in this draft. I could see Jones having a Von Miller-esque impact as he is just a dominant pass-rusher. In two seasons at Georgia he accounted 24 sacks and there is no question was the most dominant defensive player in the country. The Pittsburgh Steelers and Jones seem like a match made in heaven.

    8-Kenny Vaccaro-Safety-Texas

    Vaccaro is a jack of all trades when it comes to the safety position. Not many would argue against the notion that Vaccaro is the best safety in the 2013 NFL draft. He is athletic enough and good enough in terms of coverage to match up with receivers in the slot which will make him a major commodity come April. Vaccaro is a very good tackler with a high football IQ making teams in need of a safety like the New York Jets being a perfect fit.

    7-Damontre Moore-Defensive End-Texas A&M

    Moore plays with a high motor and has relentless effort when it comes to chasing down the opposing quarterback. Is very good when it relates to his ability to diagnos plays and is solid against the run as well. Due to a high need of pas-rusher I think it is a lock that Moore will be a top ten selection with the Detroit Lions, Oakland Raiders, and Cleveland Browns all making a lot of sense.


    6-Sheldon Richardson-Defensive Tackle-Missouri

    Richardson is flying under the radar as much as any player in the 2013 draft. He gives 110% effort on every snap and is extremely explosive off the ball making him one of the few prospects I would dub "elite". Richardson maintains a good pad level and has the closing speed of a linebacker. If I had to sum up Richardson's game in one work it would be disruptive.

    5-Luke Joeckel-Offensive Tackle-Texas A&M

    Luke Joeckel is an elite left tackle prospect with his ability to protect the quarterback being the thing he does better than any other player at his position when it relates to the 2013 draft. Joeckel is the best pure left tackle to enter the NFL out of the collegiate ranks since Joe Thomas coming out of Wisconsin.


    4-Bjoern Werner-Defensive End-Florida State

    There is no doubt that Bjoern Werner will be a top five selection with the Jacksonville Jaguars at #2 making the most sense. Werner's combination of strength and quickness make him a terror whether it is against the run or chasing down the oppossing quarterback. Werner is productive as his 13 sacks in 2012 would indicate and one of the main reasons for the production is Werner's ability to play with leverage.

    3-Dee Milliner-Cornerback-Alabama

    In a league full of pasisng it is important to have players that can defend the pass and no one in the draft is better than Milliner at this. Milliner plays with a swagger that screams it doesnt matter how big you are, how tough you are, or how strong you are because you are not ctaching the ball on me. Outstanding closing speed, long arms, great cover ability, effective in run support, play-maker, and his ability to jam receivers at the line of scrimmage are the traits that make him one of the best players in the 2013 NFL draft.

    2-Star Lotulelei-Defensive Tackle-Utah

    The comparison to the Baltimore Ravens' Haloti Ngata are legit which makes this player a slam-dunk diffence maker on the defensive side of the ball. His strength and quickness allow him to dominate the line of scrimmage and it doesn't matter what type of defense you run because Lotulelei is just an absolute terror. I do not see how he can last past the 3rd overall pick with the Oakland Raiders.

    1-Barkevious Mingo-Defensive End-Louisiana State University

    His production does no warrant that of an overall pick but sometimes you overlook production and search for talent. The Cowboys did this in 2005 whenthey drafted Demarcus Ware and that worked out quite well for them. Mingo is a player that you can move all over the field in multiple defensive schemes and simply get after the quarterback. Mingo has an elite first step, violent hands, and a relentless motor that will have defensive coordinators salivating. I could see Mingo falling in the draft due to production concerns but whomever gets this guy will have a perennial pro-bowl pass-rusher on their roster.
     
  2. jim1

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    Ware was the conference player of the year his senior season and had a bunch of sacks at Troy. Not sure how you're comparing him to Mingo in terms of production.
     
  3. Finsanity247

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    I got to be honest I was totally wrong but still love Mingo. Thanks for correcting me!
     
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  4. ckparrothead

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    This. I think it's a bit off to compare Barkevious Mingo to Demarcus Ware. It comes off like trying to find a guy that ended up successful and then comparing the two without any real basis to make your guy seem likely to succeed. I know that's not what Finsanity was doing, he was probably just misremembering Ware as a prospect. But I could just as easily compare Barkevious Mingo to Dontay Moch and that might actually be even a more apropos comparison than Demarcus Ware.

    I understand that Mingo has dynamite in his ankles. But his strength and hands at the position are only a little above that of what you'd expect if you just put a fast, jackrabbit-ish linebacker in at defensive end rushing the passer. The thing that disconcerts me about Barkevious is that he doesn't finish. He's obviously more of a one-dimensional pass rusher. He's not the run defender that let's say an Olivier Vernon was coming out. But for being a one-dimensional guy, how do you keep disappointing at that one dimension and STILL get high grades? It's tough for me to justify that.
     
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    And I still don't see it with Damontre Moore. He's pretty athletic but most of what he does in pass rush is via motor. You're facing college tackles. College RIGHT tackles for the most part. You can't beat those guys? Really? You have to motor your way into sacks against college right tackles and then I'm supposed to pay a top 5 or top 10 pick for you?

    You dissect Bjoern Werner's game, he's beating tackles. You dissect Tank Carridine's game, he's beating tackles. Dion Jordan does it, albeit less often than those too. Alex Okafor does it, more often than Jordan, almost as often as Werner and Carridine. Yet we're supposed to be in love with a 245 pound defensive end who doesn't really beat offensive tackles that often and just motors his way in there. At least with Zeke Ansah, I get it. He's 275 lbs and he runs like the wind at that size, has incredible overall athleticism and is just so raw he doesn't know what he's doing out there yet. I get that. Damontre Moore? I don't get it.
     
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  6. ckparrothead

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    Two things about this. Damn you're going to think I'm such an *******. Sorry in advance. I really do appreciate the work. But like I said, two things:

    1. I hope you didn't spend too much time watching Tennessee tape looking for Da'Rick Rogers and instead ending up focused on Cordarrelle Patterson...seeing as how Da'Rick was dismissed from the program before Cordarrelle took a single snap for the Vols. ;)

    2. The note about needing work boxing out defender for the ball is a curious one to me. I'm not saying you're wrong. Most of these guys, every facet of their game needs work. But most people are under the impression that Cordarrelle Patterson is a body-catcher precisely because he is so good at boxing out defenders with his body and shielding the football. So it's interesting to me that you think that's the area of his game that needs work.
     
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  7. ToddPhin

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    Chris, the question I'd like answered about Mingo is, if he plays six games of checkers vs a ten year old, how many does he win?
     
  8. ToddPhin

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    +1

    +1 for the second part, too.
     
  9. jim1

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    Here's some film of him against Alabama, showing some strengths and weaknesses. My focus has been on Moore as the edge rusher that we need- he got manhandled quite a few times by the Alabama OL, but they were a wrecking crew all year. Moore is a solid edge rusher and a very good pursuit guy as well imo, not quite in Ziggy Ansah's league at that but very good nonetheless. I see both good and bad against the run, that would be a concern- how big of one I'm still not sure. As to him at OLB- maybe in a 3/4, not so much a 4/3. Every time I watch Texas A&M I love watching his teammate Sean Porter play OLB, still an unabashed fan.

    I like Moore quite a bit, but as with most of these guys in a rather weak top 10- that being said I don't know that I like him better than Dion Jordan or Alec Ogletree (OLB). We'll see what happens with Ogletree, he seems to be crawling up draft boards in a Fred Taylor-esque manner, probably more after the combine. Btw Moore still looks bigger than 245 to me, I'd guess 255.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VF1vkiKFo
     
  10. CANDolphan

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    I'm really curious about the Tayvon Austin -> Percy Harvin comparison. I don't see it, at all. Harvin was a shifty runner with speed and a knack for making plays after, but his game is mostly strength mixed with speed. Austin does not have Harvin strength. Not even close.
     
  11. Finsanity247

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    Don't think your being an *** at all. I appreciate the feedback. Gearing up for the NFL is nothing more than a hobby and something I love to discuss. If I was as good as I thought I was I would be working for an NFL team by now. You seem very knowledgeable to I look forward to many conversations.

    *When stating the Tennessee tape I was just stating the reason I was watching was due to Rogers and Hunter initially. In watching Hunter it was clear that Patterson was a better player in 2012.

    *When I was discussing Patterson boxing out defenders I was talking more about the red-zone, At 6"4 he should be an effective red-zone target and while he is he definitely needs to use the frame to out-jump defenders more consistently. With his size and athleticism he should be a jump-ball end-zone kind of guy
     
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    Alex Okafor was the 21st guy on my list. Love him; See a great fit opposite of Cameron Wake. :hi5:
     
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    He doesn't explode off the ball like a Mingo or Jordan but he is productive. Notched sacks against LSU and Alabama who have solid offensive lines and racked up 3 against the Gators. I do agree that he could struggle some at the next level if he doesn't develop better pass-rushing techniques and maneuvers.
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Sweet! Always nice to get another new perspective on the draft
     
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  15. ckparrothead

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    Listen, I realize that Cyrus Kouandjio and D.J. Fluker are probably second only to Luke Joeckel and Jake Matthews for best tackle tandem in the country...but what in blazes are you seeing in that video other than Damontre Moore not winning, ever? How about Damontre you go ahead and just beat SOMEBODY. Even a tight end. Even a wide receiver! Even little tiny wide receiver Christian Jones, all 5'11" and 185 lbs of him! Really? Really?!?

    All I see is good motor and decent athletic ability, over and over again. The best he looked in the video was when he was blocked by air. He did beat tight end Brian Vogler one time on a run play to be fair. The only beat in the entire video. He didn't even force that fumble. That ball was out before Damontre ever touched the guy.

    We've got a motor guy that can beat air. His name is Olivier Vernon. And he's a stronger run defender than Damontre Moore is or probably ever will be.
     
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  16. djphinfan

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    Besides myself I haven't see anyone else have Sheldon this high..

    5 star recruit comin out of high school, junior coming out early,who played a hellish schedule this year, sec competition, a force of speed and agility on top of 300 lbs, relentless football player, extremely talented player..I hope he checks out in the work ethic dept because I want him to get even stronger, but I don't see much to criticize.
     
  17. Finsanity247

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    Sheldon Richardson is one of those players that if we select at 12 the fan base will be up in arms but the truth is he will turn out to be better than Starks and Odrick.
     
  18. ckparrothead

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    I have some level of discomfort with Sheldon Richardson. He is a UNIQUE player at that position. No doubt about it. What I'm wondering though is whether his unique qualities are all that important to that position. I mean it's awesome to buy a snow blower that has built-in iTunes and cupholder, but you want to make sure that it can...blow snow.
     
  19. djphinfan

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    What are you looking for in a def end at this point, opposite wake, are you favoring more pass rush ability, quicker smaller type player, or a more complete package, three down payer?, do you think he's too big to play outside with the revolutionary NFL upon us?

    We were fifth in sacks last year, if we can upgrade opposite wake with bigger, faster, and more athletic, who happens to be a maniac on the field, why not take this player seriously at 12?
     
  20. ToddPhin

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    I think the thing to keep in mind is Koyle played Odrick all across the line. left side, right side. 1 gap, 2 gap. rushing from outside the tackle, head up on the tackle, over the center, and everywhere in between. Ziggy Ansah does all that as well, and I can say that b/c my 72 hours has elapsed. :whistling:
     
  21. djphinfan

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    So I've been meaning to ask you, your good with letting Starks walk then right?
     
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  22. ToddPhin

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    I'd be ok with it, provided we don't allow his departure to become a Dline weakness.
     
  23. MrClean

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    So you think he is a simpleton? What are you basing that on? Not saying it isn't so, just what is your basis?
     
  24. MrClean

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    I'd rather just pay the neighbor kid a few bucks to shovel it.
     
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  25. MrClean

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    72 hrs elapsed? WTF is that all about? Someone complained about your zealous support of Ziggy?
     
  26. ToddPhin

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    Just an inside joke, not an actual bad thing. You can put the machete away, pappy. :p
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    Are we looking at Sheldon Richardson as a defensive end or a defensive tackle.
     
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  28. MrClean

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    Alright then. So yer telling me I won't hafta hurt anyone to defend the family honor. Ok then.
     
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  29. ToddPhin

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    You can do it just for fun if you want. I'm sure he'll do something down the road that deserves it. :shifty:
     
  30. KB21

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    Also, the thing that I have noticed about Sheldon Richardson is that his initial burst and overall athleticism are elite for the position, but he can be man handled if he has someone lined up on his head. Watch the Missouri vs Alabama video. There were some times where Alabama would pull the guy that was lined up on him and try to reach block him with either the center or DJ Fluker. In those situations, Richardson would beat the guy making the reach block. However, there are times where Anthony Steen blocks him straight up, and Richardson gets no push in the pocket when this happens.

    IMO, he's a gap penetrator that will get eat up in the NFL if he has two gap responsibility. I just don't see him in Star Lotulelei's class as a defensive tackle.
     
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  31. MrClean

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    I don't even know who "he" is. As long as it's not DJ. We love our DougieFresh no matter what.
    And what about the Mingo and checkers question? You overlooked that one. :)
     
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  32. djphinfan

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    I'm thinking Richard Seymour, ability to play all positions, but ultimately replacing Odrick and moving Hong Kong phuey inside..

    I think he's the kind of player that can play dtackle in the 43 as the gap penetrator or outside, he's just a great football payer imo, and if we get rid of Starks, I think he's a must..Dion will tempt the sh&$ out of me but ultimately the relentless power and Agility Sheldon plays with follows BPA philosophy.

    Gotta feelin he's gonna run a 4. 8.
     
  33. Finsanity247

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    I think Sheldon Richardson can be every bit the player Ndamukong Suh is for the Detroit Lions. I feel he is worthy of a top five pick but I don't see him going that high.
     
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  34. KB21

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    Richardson is not nearly as strong at the point of attack as Suh is.
     
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  35. ckparrothead

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    I think you hit the nail on the head as far as my discomfort with him from the standpoint of his being a defensive tackle at the NFL level. For that position first and foremost you have to be a hella strong guy. The speed is more ornamental than fundamental.

    That's why I keep thinking of what he would look like playing defensive end. I think prior to 2012 he played more snaps at end in Mizzou's defense and I liked the look of him.

    I think Gus Bradley of the Jaguars is going to fall in love with him. In his defense what he prioritizes is speed, football speed and everyone on the field flying to the football aggressively...a swarm defense. Sheldon Richardson's unique traits really epitomize that, IMO. I think he would look at Tyson Alualu as a guy he could put at end on run downs like he did Red Bryant.
     
  36. ckparrothead

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    I see him playing the outside on base downs and moving inside on pass downs.I think he could be a good player doing that, albeit unproven.
     
  37. djphinfan

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    I do think there are some similarities, quicker, more agile, but I love Suh's game so much I couldn't go that far, but I like your conviction about Richardson...I've never seen a bigger athlete track more ball carriers downfield than Sheldon, sometimes he gets himself exhausted because of it, and will get washed out on the next play..but damn man, the kids motor doesn't stop, and were not just talking about an overachieving player here with great hustle, when this kid hits the combine he's going to open some eyes at that size.

    I've also seen him destroy qbs, with a maniacal attitude, then flip a switch, feel sorry for the guy, and help him up...lol
     
  38. ToddPhin

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    I was thinking Richardson was more of a Henry Melton type player.
     
  39. Boomer

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    This is a very strange thread
     
  40. Fin D

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    What do you mean..."strange"?


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