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I guess I'll throw out my Royal Rumble predictions of The Rock beating CM Punk for the WWE title and John Cena winning the Rumble. I also think Ryback will get the "Diesel" Rumble push but The Shield will all come in the ring and eliminate him. Del Rio will keep the WHC, Cesaro will beat The Miz to keep his US Title and Team Hell No will keep the tag team belts.

So boring and predictable but really there's no stopping the WWE from giving us Rock/Cena 2 for the WWE title at WM.

 

Half right with Cena winning, Rock will prob win too to set Rock/Cena II

 

Last year they had Y2J lose the Rumble because it was too predictable and WWE wanted to shock the world. This year they have Cena obviously win it, and Rock obviously winning to set Cena/Rock II WM. And Cena will again win the title at WM and WM 29 will end like previous WM with Cena holding the title, fireworks going off and the show ending. Honestly not looking forward for WM at all, especially if its Lesnar/HHH

 

A lot of news from last night:

Jericho signed a short term deal to be with the company until WM29.

Brock Lesnar has signed a new 2 year deal that will keep him with the WWE until WM31. No terms have been released but it's probably a limited work schedule.

The Shield did indeed attack The Rock, they were hiding under the ring when the lights went out they attacked and then went back under the ring.

Mark Henry, Shelton Benjamin, Chris Masters, Carlito, Ted DiBiase, Jr., and Shane Helms were all backstage last night either visiting or almost being used in the Rumble match.

Triple H was considered being used for the Rumble match over the weekend.

 

Again predictable isn't always a bad thing if it tells a good story and it produces a good match(es). I agree I have no interest in Rock/Cena 2 but Rock/Cena was the biggest money draw in WWE history so of course the WWE is going to try to milk it the best they can. Plus with The Rock starting to go on the promoting circuit for his 2 movies coming out between now and WM the WWE wants their named attached to him as their champion. And now you actually have a WM main event for THE CHAMPIONSHIP! The belt is now somewhat meaningful again. Really there was no way the WWE wasn't going to give us Rock/Cena 2 this year for the title.

And yes no one wants to see Triple H/Lesnar 2 either. I wish they would have giving us something different instead too.

 

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I'm just dreading Cena winning the title and ending WM the same way we seen done so many times before.


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Sometimes the best route to go...is the obvious one. Rock-Cena two makes a lot of sense. It will still be the biggest match they can put on, but how cool and crossover crazy would Rock-Brock be?

Massive credit to CM Punk on one of the mos successful title runs ever. It's been a long time since fans have paid to see a guy lose. He did amazing over the last few years with it in his hand. I am curious as to where he goes now. He clearly has a gripe about the outcome, but I really want to see what he does for WM. I still think him putting himself above the title to face UT makes a lot of sense. Especially with his built in beat down squad of The Shield. I could see a scenario where Punk is about to get tombstoned, only to have the lights go out, come back on and The Shield is taking liberties with taker. Taker fends them off, turns his sights back to Punk...only to have the lights go out again, and come back on to reveal a returning Brock Lesnar in the ring, staring down the deadman. Taker has to win, but that might introduce enough uncertainty to make the match memorable.

I think, more than anything though, I would love for Punk to basically vow to tear down everything he built over the last few years, officially join forces with The Shield on a loose basis, and wreak havoc on WWE for awhile. A little bit of an NWO to it, but it would work. Have them destroy a set, interfere in matches, and just when McMahon seems to finally take control back, to hit them with Brock Lesnar returning. Those five under the guidance of Heyman can drive the show directly underneath the Cena-Rock main event.

 

Yeah you have to give credit to Punk and the WWE for letting him take the belt and run with it. He finally restored the championship as something meaningful again. It could have been a lot worse than him losing to The Rock.

I'm thinking we get The Rock & John Cena vs. CM Punk & The Shield at EC (maybe have the WM title shot on the line or if Punk's team wins it's a Triple Threat match for the title), that way you can have Brock Lesnar come out and try to help Punk's team only to have Triple H run in from the back to stop him to set up their rematch. Then at RAW the next night you have Punk come out and say the title, while still important to him isn't THE most important thing to him right now. He can talk about how there have been multiple times wrestlers main evented a WM or won a title, etc etc however there's one thing no one has done and that's beat The Undertaker and that's exactly what he wants to do to prove he's the best in the world. Next week, Undertaker comes out and there's all the build up you really need. And yes I also would have Brock and Undertaker have a brief exchange at a RAW or WM to plant the seeds for a Lesnar/Taker match at WM30.

I do wonder where Jericho fits in in the next few weeks. I'm sure he'll be in the EC match for the WHC but I'd love to see him work a program with either Ziggler or Bryan and give them the rub. I do like how Jericho has no issue or problem trying to help other guys get over, it's too bad Triple H isn't that willing because having him lay down for some of the younger talent could help do wonders for their careers.

 

Get ready because you know it's going to happen. I'm just hoping Cena does something/anything with his character to either make him more interesting or just keep it fresh. Whether it's just simply changing wrestling gear or going full on heel (which will never happen but no matter what he does he's going to be a heel at WM with the pro Rock/NY crowd) his character is just so freaking stale. At least Hogan realized he needed to change or the business was going to leave him behind. Cena's been doing the same act for almost 10 years straight now.

 

Honestly, i would love it if Cena turned Heel and he was the mastermind behind the Shield. He did all of this to get Rock/Cena II

 

It would certainly be interesting that's for sure. Like I said before his character is just so stale and boring and his promos making poop jokes are just beyond pathetic. I've never been a "Cena hater" and even praise him for putting on good matches in big moments but I'm just sick of him. I wish he took time off after his match with Brock and came back with a fresh take on his character.

 

yeah him saying im taking a break only to come back the next night was a let down. his character is stale, which is why I dont want WM to end the way i know its going to. Its been seen time after time. Yeah money wise its a good move by WWE, but as a fan, it sucks.

 

A Cena heel turn could be almost as epic as Hogan's was if they did it the right way. I'd love to see that. They're probably scared of losing T-shirt sales though.

 

and they would get them right back when they turn him face again. Heel turn wont have to be the longest turn ever, just do something different from his character.

 

The problem with Cena is to the older fan base he's already a heel so him officially turning wouldn't make a difference to them as they're not buying his merchandise anyway. Cena brings in a ton of money with his stuff selling to kids and he does do a lot of work with Make a Wish and other charities, that's what the WWE doesn't want to lose out on. Plus Cena is a good company man, he stays out of trouble etc.

I don't think he really needs to turn heel, he just needs to freshen up his character. I really think him taking a break would do wonders for him. People are just sick of SuperCena. No matter what he's always in the spotlight.

For people that want to see him as a heel, what would be different about him to make us care about him again? I mean we already boo him, if he officially becomes a heel would we boo him more? Would we all of a sudden care about him again? Would we cheer him because his a heel and that's what the crowd does (how Punk is suppose to be a heel but people still love him for example)? I don't think it's as easy as him turning.

Again look at this year's WM for example, he is going to get booed out of the stadium. So who cares if he's officially a heel or not. He gets booed no matter where he goes or what he does. And in certain "smart" wrestling areas like Chicago, Philly, New York, Miami no matter what he does he gets boo'ed and boo'ed out of the building.

 

It would be nice to see The Rock actually win a title match at WM for a change.

 

Haha don't think it's going to happen this year.

Word is The Rock might be debuting a new title belt tonight, although it might just be a title just for him ala the Stone Cold Smoking Skull belt.

 

Hope that means the end of Cenas title, but most likely if Cena does win at WM, hell just bring it right back

 

lesnar will come back tonight, i have a feeling he gets involved with Heyman/Vince tonight. I should be there tonight o well

 

I guess we're never going to get a new WWE title belt....

 

I still don't understand why they don't change it.

 

Seriously. I thought that Title was just for Cena and would change once someone else won. It looks stupid on everyone else.

 

to quote Vinny Mac...

well just watch this...
[video=youtube;ci_6CQ5R558]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci_6CQ5R558[/video]

That belt is a high seller

 

Im glad the whole, did CM Punk hire the shield storyline is over. Obvious this storyline leads to Brock/HHH outside chance Brock/Vince, but i think its 99% for sure Brock/HHH at WM

 

They still must be making money off of it.

 

Brock/Vince would be a disaster, plus who would want to see it? Brock would literally kill Vince. It's leading to Brock/HHH because Triple H needs to get that win back. And really it's smart business as you have a legit monster heel bad *** who's completely over with the crowd so why not just have him lose in almost every match they have him in his limited schedule, especially to guys like Cena and Triple H when those wins do zero for them. Imagine if they let Daniel Bryan or a Dean Ambrose beat Brock, you don't think that win would put a rocket up their butt to the top of the card or at least close to it?

 

Bret Hart ****s all over HHH in an interview. Dude is a drama king.

http://m.wrestlezone.com/news/26746...ocking-comments-about-triple-h-and-undertaker

 

He has some interesting thoughts on cena lol.

 

Well...he's not too far off. HHH has a great history and respect for the industry and his mind is pretty much a Rolodex for the business up until present day, but he has never really changed anything organically. He just did everything good. Nothing wrong with that, but like Bret said, he never really brought much to the table.

That is not to say that he was bad at his job, he wasn't. He did his job very well, and I also think that his behind the scenes role will actually end up being more of his legacy than his on air one, as he appears to hae a keen eye in spotting talent. Much more so than his predecessors. But Bret is right in that he has a ceiling. I don't agree that he hasn't had great matches though. Dude has plenty. They just happen to be against people who carried him as opposed to the other way around.

 

I generally agree with Bret but Triple H from January 2000 to just when he first torn his hammy or quad in the tag team match with Jericho & Benoit in 2001 consistently put out 4 to 5 star matches with people. Perhaps it was because of his opponents carrying him but to say he's never had a great match is an understatement and I am in no means a Triple H fan at all. Of course Bret thinks Ric Flair is overrated too so maybe he's just a tough grader.

 

Ric Flair IS overrated. Anyone who books themselves into championships automatically is since they are blowing smoke up their own ***. But Flair is on another planet for overrated. One of the all time great, but no where near the best ever. In fact, I almost think he is on the outside looking in of the top ten.

 

I don't think Flair is overrated, I think his legacy has definitely taken a hit because he wouldn't/couldn't stop wrestling and is now a walking a joke. But you can't deny he had everything in terms of the look, the mike skills, the in ring skills and the drawing power. Flair was one of the best ever.

Who would be in your top 10? And are you simply looking at in ring abilities or the whole package? This should definitely be a fund debate.

 

How much to debate?

 

Why you gotta go break my balls?

 

lol I was lurking and it was too easy. Considering I saw the man in person at my bank and he looks beaten and broken, I got a lot of respect for mr flair.

 

Haha, not a problem, you got to keep me on my toes.

I do somewhat feel bad for Flair but then again he brought a lot of it on himself by actually becoming Ric Flair and living his gimmick all the time. But it must be tough to let go of that spotlight and try to live a "normal" life which is why I think the movie "The Wrestler" is just fantastic.

 

Can somebody explain to me how somebody can move the needle, keep a gimmick, and sell tickets for over 20 years, while being overrated?

The guy walks anywhere and gets "wooooooos". He steps out onto the 50 yard line of a SC game, and the crowd loses it's ****.

I have seen Hogan walk through an airport and get ignored.

 

He was also a top draw for 3 companies (NWA, WCW and WWF), back when being a top draw actually meant something, that has to count for something too. Can't see how Flair doesn't make anyone's top 10 of all time. Like I said he was the total package in terms of skills, looks, drawing power and could cut a promo.

 

Flair is and has always been somewhat of a one trick pony. Again, I say this as someone who has years of experience in the business and has studied promos, ring work and other aspects that go unnoticed by most casual fans.

Flair booked himself at the top for many years, which is always sketchy. Also, his promo work never changed much. He pretty much hit the same notes every single time, which is why I tend to peg The Rock down some as well. Not that Ric isn't an all time great and all of that, I just don't hold him in. The same regard as most do. His ring work emulated his mic work in that he never really chaned up much of what he did in the ring. He told the same story every time. You watch one match, you hae pretty much watched all of them.

If you want, I can put together a top 5-10 list of all timers from my point of view.

 

I'd like to see it.