WR and TE who is the best solution IYO and Why ?

None of that matters if Tannehill doesnt improve...

 

Need to bring in more than two receivers IMHO. And when would you take Patterson?

As for the TE position. Dont think Cook is going to make it to market… dont want anything to do with Finley. Keller would be an OK option. I think Bennett needs to be a consideration. Draft wise I love Ertz. Much better player then Eifert who I believe is way over rated

 

Who is that?

Best TE in this draft is Ertz not Eifert. As for Reed… the guy is athletic and would present match up problems for defenses

 

When you consider that the Fins probably will not resign Long, Bush or Smith… For that matter I dont think they will resign Fasano or Hartline either. Wouldnt mind seeing them bring Clemons back, I think he is better the most of us give him credit for. The Fins should re-sign Jones NOW. Guy is a great safety

 

If we sign one of Jennings/Wallace then there is no need to draft a receiver in the first round, if we do so Ireland is a puppet.

We can all scream from the rooftops about "needing skill position players" but if we can't PROTECT the quarterback and run the football I don't care if we have in their primes Jerry Rice and Randy Moss.

If we sign a solid #1 type receiver and re-sign Brian Hartline we can go anywhere in the draft. Guard, defensive end or cornerback would be top 3 priorities.

 

If Brian Hartline is our #2 receiver next season I'll die from suffocating on my own vomit while sleeping having nightmares of him being tackled by a slight breeze.

 

Too expensive.

 

Even though odds are he'll go for 1,000 plus yards again???

 

not if we ignore a top tight end (or Fasano) in FA and instead trade back our 1st for Eifert.

Just being devil's advocate.

 

I'll be surprised if he breaks 1k yards again. ever.

 

What's the downside?

 

Obviously you wouldn't. But we all know that we should take your opinion with a grain of salt when it comes to evaluating a receiver who isn't a combine king.

 

I haven't a clue who will be brought back but I'm worried about losing those guys from a leadership perspective. Long, Smith and Starks should be the priorities IMO bc they are the hardest to replace. I think we can address WR, TE, RB via the draft or FA. LT, DT, CB would be more difficult/expensive.

 

Disagree, the Dolphins need two starting caliber WR's…. if you ask me they could use a 3rd receiver to put ahead of Bess.

 

Not really sure how just arrived at that weak conclusion. It's kind of a p**** argument TBH. If you're so interested in acting like a d*** then how about putting your money where your mouth is, or at least your avatar.



BTW, were Hakeem Nicks, Eric Decker, Jordy Nelson, and Austin Collie combine kings? yeah don't think so.

 

What makes you think that he could do it again? especially when he wouldnt be the #1 target in the offense.

 

I think both guys could be signed for about 15 mil per season. Considering that Bess would be your next highest paid is that really too much? Also, IF you think the combo of Wallace and Jennings is too expensive… I would think you think Hartline and Wallace would be too expensive as well as Hartline is going to command more money than Jennings.

 

Anonymous thinks the organization that signs Hartline will show him favoritism by not drafting or signing any competition to steal snaps & opportunities from him, kinda like wide receiver nepotism.

 

Eifert late first and Ertz with the first 2nd round pick…. hhhmmmm now we are talking

Follow that with Bailey with the 2nd 2nd round pick….

WR corp of Jennings, Wallace, Bailey, Bess and Matthews
TE's Eifert, Ertz

 

I can't imagine a scenario where the Hitman gets more dough than Jennings. Perhaps GJ will elect to be paid in Iranian currency.

 

It would definitely be interesting.

 

He doesn't have to be. If we bring in Jennings next season, Hartline should still see enough targets his way to get 1,000 yards. It's more like actually if you take into account that Tannehill could improve, Hartline could be healthy the entire training camp, and he'll be facing teams second best corners. Everything was against Hartline going for 1,000 plus this season, and he still did it. Don't see why he can't do it again.

 

Was waiting to see if anyone mentioned him. I think he and Delanie Walker and James Casey could also be interesting options for a modest price.

 

How was everything "against Hartline"?!! Everything was the perfect storm FOR Hartline!!

Firstly, he was handed the primary receiver role b/c of no competition. Secondly, he was one of only two goddam receivers for most of the year (receiving the bulk of the targets b/c of it). On top of that he had a 257 yard game that he couldn't pull from his butt again if he faced the 1970 Marshall Thundering Herd secondary.

 

The Hitman

I'm sure there's a really bad Owen Heart joke there.

 

Your first two points were essentially the same point. He had the necessary target to gain 1,000 yards. That's a weak argument considering he didn't see an obscene amount of passes thrown his way. He was at 128, I believe. That's right in line for a top receiver in Philbin's system. And odds are of he comes back next season, he will still see 90 plus passes thrown his way. Especially considering the fact that he's shown what he can do when that happens.

As for your last point, you could erase 80 yards off Hartline's season total if you want. That was the busted coverage catch. He still played great the entire game and would still be over 1,000 without it.

 

I'd prefer Zach Ertz even at 12, and then get Markus Wheaton in the 2nd. Stedman Bailey in the 3rd, or even with the second 2nd rounder. If we don't get Bailey, then perhaps Ryan Swope with the late 3rd round pick.

 

Ertz > Eifert.

 

No, they're not. Being handed the starting job is independent of the depth behind the receiver, as a receiver can be handed the starting job and still have depth behind him. Hartline was given the starting role AND had no depth behind him.

 

Not necessarily. When the Marks brothers were on the decline, Shula in one offseason, traded for Fryar, signed Ingram as a free agent and drafted OJ in the 1st round. Now, that is how to go about it. Even though their best days were behind them, the Marks were better than what we have now. The draft though largely depends on what happens in free agency.

 

Ok. He was handed the starting job. Why was that important to mention? Because being the starting receiver means more targets for Hartline. Hence, they were essentially the same points.

 

Depends on who he is paired with. If he's on a team where he's the most often targeted WR, I wouldn't be surprised. Ideally though, I'd prefer him as the 2nd or 3rd option.

 

So your solution to solving the Fins WR problems is to bring in an injury prone guy and resign a guy that is good at exactly 1 thing. BTW, has anyone taken into consideration that Hartline has had some injuries issues himself? Nothing that has kept him out of regular season game but that is only a matter of time.

 

Fixed it for you Mr C

 

been saying that for a while

 

No, not the same point. A receiver can be handed the starting job and still have good depth behind him eating into opportunities/targets, but that wasn't the case with Hartline. He was given the starting job AND had no depth behind him rather than being given the starting job but having good depth. Distinct difference. The "no depth" compounds the issue.

 

I know you have and seeing you do so has reinforced my own opinion that I'm not seeing things.

 

Jennings isn't injury prone and Hartline isn't good at just one thing.

 

Lol. Brett, Brian, whats the difference?

 

Did you already count falling down?