Barry Jackson asks Steve Ross about free agent receivers...

RT may not be a lick better with those guys… his productivity however, would be much better. Just like Matt Ryans productivity would be much worse with the receivers RT had to work with.

 

But you HAVE to give him that chance if an opportunity presents itself.

I know if I am Miami's OC, I feel a lot better having an impact Wr and a solid running game to help RT. Going into next season with the exact same lineup and I'd be searching for a job on the side...

 

Most definitely. You have to assemble the best supporting cast possible.

 

He needs better weapons. That is as obvious as the nose of your face. How much he improves, if any, will be directly connected to the how much of an upgrade there is at the other offensive skill positions.

 

Then he is just being obtuse.

 

Warfield was acquired via a trade. Not as a free agent.

 

Archie Manning comes to mind. He was as talented as either of his sons. I saw him play and I know that to be a fact. He had a mediocre NFL career due to the piss poor talent he was surrounded with.

 

I don't think we have any idea for certain whether Tannehill's future performance will have that kind of isomorphic relationship with the level of talent around him.

 

It's all about making the right choices. When he saw that Duper and Clayton were on the decline, Shula traded for Fryar and signed Ingram as a free agent in one offseason. They stepped in seamlessly to the Marks old spots. Not only did he add those two proven vets, he drafted McDuffie in the 1st that year. Shula was smart enough to make sure his HOF QB always had good weapons at his disposal.

 

I think you like to argue just to argue. If you don't think Tannehill would do better with Jones, White and Gonzalez rather than with Bess, Hartline, and Fasano, or that Matt Ryan would have done as well with the Bess, Hartline and Fasano as he did with Jones, White, and Gonzalez, then WADR you are crazy.

 

hell, the NFL didnt even have free agency back then. Wasnt Keith Jackson one of the first free agents in the NFL?

 

Archie Manning was easily one the best QBs in the league, but was always on such crappy teams.

 

I do, but it's also true that we have no idea how much better Ryan Tannehill would be with those sorts of players.

 

funny you didn't argue MrClean's "upgrading the skill position" part of his post. Why the sudden change of tune?

 

Thats really a false question though. Even if those players were traded to Miami for free, the team would be over the salary cap. Ultimately its still a game of maximizing finite resources.

 

They were basically examples. I'd already said earlier that how much Tannehill improves will depend on the surrounding talent. The main point is Miami needs to upgrade WR and TE in free agency and high in the draft, if we are going to maximize Tannehill's potential.

 

There was street free agency. Players who were cut by other teams. We signed both Langer and Kuechenberg as free agents.

 

No we wouldn't.

Atlanta shows it can be done. On top of that we're only paying our QB 12 million.

 

AND as I have said several times already. IT would NOT matter IF RT was any better. Those players would make RT more productive…

 

I think you'd play hell trying to tease apart the measurement of his productivity from his ability.

 

those three players took up about 10.5 million of the Falcons cap this past season. I believe that was less than Jake Long cost us

 

over 4 seasons

 

that goes with ANY QB in the NFL. THey get way too much credit and blame

 

Sure, but how are you replacing Long? And how much are you spending to cut him?

 

not sure your point

 

Troy Aikman comes to mind.

 

why would you have to cut Long? With Gonzalez, Roddy, and Julio here there wouldn't have been any need for Fasano & Bess's contract or spending money on Naanee or Johnson.

 

1st, I was talking about the cost of each of those players for 2012.

Long is a FA, It cost the Fins nothing to let him walk. I replace Long with either Martin ( if he puts the work in) or a draft pick. IF I was to pay big money for a LT it would be to Clady not Long. Vollmer would also be another option and it would weaken the Pats at the same time.

ehhh, just reread what you wrote… Martin would have taken Longs place this past season…

 

My point was that we were not paying a QB 12 Mil last year… RT's contract is 12 mil over 4 years… I think RT's cap hit this past season was like 3 mil

 

that's why I said we're only paying him 12 million (compared to the $66 million Atlanta is paying Ryan). I was showing there's no argument that can be made about not paying Roddy, Gonzalez, and Julio if we had the opportunity considering Atlanta is already doing so, while on top of that- paying their QB $54 million more.

 

Without adding a veteran #1 WR and a veteran pass catching TE this offseason, I dont see how 2013 ends up any better than 2012 did, and you ****** Tannehill's development. If the front office truely feels that free agency isnt the answer, then they have no choice but to bring guys in via trade. They would be complete fools to stand pat and just add through the draft.

 

I miss read what you wrote then. I thought you meant 12 mil for the season

 

Can't use the word "******". Gotta use something that ends in "challenged".

 

It's all good, M. We're both in the same place.

 

let me tell ya something I would trust Don Shula any day before i would trust Ireland and our current wr 's suck so bad they make Lamar Thomas and O.J. McDuffie look like Paul Warfield and Irving Fryar.

 

Shula was a great coach but he was a horrible personnel man. That was his down fall.

 

This made me laugh.

If a player never becomes great due to the talent around him lacking how exactly would you even know he could have been great?

If you mean a guy playing 3-4 years with poor talent and suddenly exploding with talent...of course you haven't. This is the age of instant gratification. If a player (especially at QB) doesn't look like the answer he's getting the boot regardless of what reason.

 

Especially when it came to defense. He was able to draft and sign as FAs some good offensive players, other than at RB, (too bad about Overstreet getting killed or perhaps even that disclaimer would be unnecessary). He just made some poor high picks on defense, like Jackie Shipp and Eric Kumerow. Bosa tearing up his knee was also an unfortunate thing that couldn't have been predicted.

 

How about Tom Brady? Is he a great QB? Do you think his greatness was impeded by Gronkowski's absence considering Tom posted an 84.6 QBR in 6 games without the Gronk, including 4 games below 75.0 (62.3, 68.9, 73.9, and 74.8)? Rhetorical questions.

BTW, not sure that's the proper use of "forestalled".



You're only "not aware" b/c you simply refuse to look for examples.

 

How about the year he took the two OL man in the first two rounds… Green and someone else that sucked ***