Paul Soliai Is An Obstacle.... to our D-line's Improvement

And the proof that Ireland wouldn't just draft a passrusher opposite Wake is what? Bc it hasn't happpened yet?

 

Odrick really isn't that good people. He shouldn't be starting, not inside and definitely not outside.

 

Based on 2 drafts? Not a big enough sample size to give that "history' much merit.

 

Like Pat White?

Obviously nobody hear knows how much say he had when BP is here so it throws that whole draft history argument out the window, imo.

 

I don't necessarily think we should erase those picks however I think his history right now is just for the 2012 draft.

He was drafting players to fit Tony Sparano's (so pretty much Bill Parcells) team philosophy... now he will draft players to fit Joe Philbin's team philosophy. The fact of the matter is that Jeff Ireland is going to look at players who fit a different mold than what he drafted in the past... whether those players will be a success is still up for debate.

I really think the "well we're going to select X because of what we did in 2009/2010" reason is very flawed but that's just IMO.

 

What makes you say that?

 

It's not.

Sounds a lot like how Ireland never drafted a QB in the 1st til Tannehill.

 

You want Odrick as the 1 technique? That'll happen the day before Coyle and Ireland are both fired.

 

We're talking about how each system prioritizes a player along with how they fit a specific scheme... which is a part of a team philosophy.

This player priority will certainly be taken into account when choosing their first round draft selection.

 

I don't know if I'd call it a bargain price tag... fair is more accurate.

 

I think Soliai is entering a contract year in 2013 so he may not even be in Miami's long-term plans.

 

I get that, sounds good actually. But in this case I'd go with the if it ain't broke philosophy. Starks has been a beast for us, he played NT, 5 tech, but 3 is his best spot IMO. I'd like to see more pash rush, but not at that expense.

I agree Carridine would be a solid pickup as a situational pass rusher, or his teammate B Jenks in the 2nd or 3rd. I wouldn't have a problem taking a DE in the first round either. That'd give us one of the best DLs in the league.

 

Soliai is a solid player who has a couple dominant games a year. I don't think you can justify his paycheck for a guy who isn't consistent and can't rush the passer.

It's not that wacky. There are 1-techniques with his skill-set, and he certainly wasn't a stranger there in college.

 

I dunno. I wouldn't feel comfortable with Odrick there, nor would our LBs IMO. We have a good DL, a great one if we can add another pass rusher. I don't see why we'd dismantle it, unless we were offered great value in a trade.

 

We could just not resign starks slide odrick inside and still draft a DE like Zeke Ansah.

 

It's still a value/resources game. You're paying a premium for Paul Soliai because he's capable of playing a 2-gap position, when you're not a 2-gap defense. You can get a 300lb. guy to do the same job a bit differently(although well within the confines of this defense) and he'd almost certainly be cheaper.

I don't think the interior of the defensive line is really a thing you can't screw with. The play of the run defense came much more from the linebackers, edge defenders, and Reshad Jones than it did Soliai/Starks.

 

The boded sentence I think is the key word. Soliai isn't consistent. He's got games he is dominant, not seasons. Even worse this year I think he failed against teams with dominant offensive lines like the 49ers or Patriots, he didn't really rise to the occasion.

 

I am not saying your idea is not sound, nor am I saying it is......I think there are too many holes and uncertainties where the #12 pick can help shore up one of those other holes. The timing is all wrong imo. Miami would be much better off spending that pick on an OL, WR or secondary depending who is available.

 

Good, let someone else pay for his half season good play and the other 8 games of mailing it in.

 

I respect both sides of the argument, but IMO Soliai is the type of player you don't appreciate until he's gone and your defense begins having trouble limiting offenses on first down.

 

While I understand what you are saying I got sick of people running straight at us and Soliai did nothing. He is a decent player but thats just it, there are a lot of Soliai type players out there and you know as well as I do he is going to ask for HUGE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If we let anyone walk, it should be this guy.

 

Kinda reminds me what happened when he let Travis Minor and Bruce Bowens go back in '07. Sure enough, our special teams and our pass rush went to the pits.

 

he was beyond terrible. he had 951 snaps and out of 62 4-3 Ends he was ranked 59th overall (-14.9), 60th rushing the passer (-19.8). his pass rushing grade was one of the worst of any pass rusher regardless of position or scheme.

 

I really don't think there are a lot of "Soliai type players" out there to be honest.

 

I'd like to know how often Paul drawing double teams and clogging the middle allowed others to make plays against the run.

 

.... and Mangold's.

 

I dunno, I see a Soliai clone on every other team. Cincinnatti, Houston, Baltimore; and that's just off the top of my head, as well as Polynesian specific...

I thought he was already under contract. If not, I'd retain him. Just because if you can't hold the line of scrimmage you're done.

That said, we all saw what happened in the fourth quarter of our first Pats game last year. If Kheeston Randall can be serviceable, why not let Soliai go?

 

He's not. But very good point.

Could we survive w/o Soliai? Yeah. But I certainly don't think we're better off.