at first i felt #12 is too high for this kid...but after he lights up the workouts his stock will probably soar so high that using a top 15 pick on the guy won't really be considered a reach. and no, i don't care what WR we sign in free agency, it should not deter us from drafting this guy in the 1st or a Justin Hunter/Tavon Austin/Duke Hopkins in the 2nd, with as dire the need is this offseason we need to consider all avenues and use all resources to add weapons: FA, draft, even trades. sign Wallace and draft this guy or sign Jennings and draft Tavon Austin, we need to add a handful of playmaking receivers this offseason, especially if Hartline and Fasano leave.
IMO Patterson is not nearly as strong as Hopkins or Bailey. Both of those guys catch the ball better when it's contested (and more naturally when it isn't). I also could easily see Patterson struggling to get off press in the pros. And frankly some receivers with that struggle never get it.
I think his nickname is Newt Hopkins, I'm not trying to get on you, but I figure if we draft him people might want to know anyways. But I agree with you, definitely, we can only wait until after the combine when prospects sink or rise to be able to properly allocate his value in juxtaposition to our draft position. Guess I'm just stating the obvious though.
His nickname is Nuke as in Nuclear. He's also known as Nuk. Kinda figure if we draft him you might want to get that right.
That's funny because I was deciding between using DJ or Phinstional. I got one and you mopped up the other. They've been profiled!
Double posted. Whoops. If Nolan Carroll were here he would have bit on the first post and I'd be gone for a touchdown.
He he. I'm not. I'm not sure who he's like in the open field. He's a bit too stop and go for me to see Garçon in him.
Not sure if Patterson has the lateral quickness that Garçon has. Roddy White is still best comparison in my eyes.
Again confusing to me because lateral quickness is what Patterson seems to have coming out his ears. That much was evident to me even before I'd seen enough to gauge his long speed.
It's all choose your own illusion I guess. I thought the comparison to Garcon was apropos from the perspective of Garcon's run after catch tendencies, as well as the perspective that Garcon was a physically gifted player with great RAC ability coming out but was raw from having spent all his time at Mount Union. Cordarrelle Patterson is Cordarrelle Patterson, in the end. He's a unique player.
This is turning a little self-actualization, philosophical, be-your-authentic-self feeling. Is Oprah hiding in here somewhere?
Hadn't seen Cordarrelle's full Alabama game yet. Just watched it. Man is Alabama a tough draw. Everyone struggles against them. They're pretty good. There's clearly a chemistry issue between Bray and Patterson. I thought Patterson playing against Deion Belue was an interesting matchup. Belue was so disciplined in everything he did so he was able to keep up with Patterson from a speed standpoint. On the other hand Patterson has that little something extra that allows him to be the one that makes the final move with the ball in the air. However, the ball just wasn't thrown where it needed to be thrown. Patterson had miscues that concern me. On a slant on 3rd & 8 it seemed like he had some physical coverage that he thought was over the line and he was looking for the flag instead of playing through it. There was a play they put him in at tailback and tossed it to him, and he bobbled the toss, lost yardage. But otherwise I thought he was creating about as much separation as you're going to create on Alabama, going toe to toe with Belue and Milliner, and if the ball was where it needed to be then he's making some keen plays against that defense. As it is he had three really good kick returns against them, two really good runs (one called back on penalty, the other was one of those where he had to be great just to get back to the line of scrimmage), had that fantastic 25 yard catch over top of Robert Lester in man coverage, and like I said several throws his direction seemed just off the mark from a QB perspective. What I thought he dd particularly well was use his hands to deal with and get off the press, and deal with physical coverage. Notwithstanding the one slant where he was mugged at the top and started lobbying for the flag.
I keep hearing Cordarrelle doesn't run the proper routes, improvises routes, and/or doesn't run good routes. I wonder how those three beliefs about his game will affect Miami's opinion of him, especially after Egnew's troubles and mental-miscues. Also the route tree is vital to the WC offense, there isn't much room for improvising.
Actually dude, get it right, his nickname comes from Greenland. Specifically the capital, Nuuk. Day one stuff, cool guy. His chiropractor is from there, read some reports or something.
It's just a matter of practice and learning though. We can complain about Rishard Matthews being inactive for half the year but let's face it he was a 7th round pick and when he was active he hardly did anything of note. So it's not like they had Miles Austin sitting on the bench waiting to start laying 100 yard games on people if they'd only give him a chance. And Egnew is a whole different mystery. One that we may have seen a piece of revealed when other players on his own team start referring to him as a "*****" to the media. Besides it hasn't been the precision of routes that has been cited as an issue for these young players. It's been literally the terminology. Ryan Tannehill makes a call at the line and Lamar Miller tries to execute a hand-off to the right instead of the left because he didn't get the call. That sort of thing.
Mississippi State I think is where you really start to get the feeling that between Justin Hunter and Cordarrelle Patterson, Cordarrelle Patterson is the alpha play maker at the next level. Darius Slay and Johnthan Banks rotated so it wasn't primarily one corner covering one of the two players the whole time. I thought Patterson did a decent job on Banks, catching one ball and there was one other that should've been a catch if Bray had hit the target, but overall I felt Banks won those coverage snaps. He stayed with Patterson deep several times including on an out-and-up that he read perfectly. Banks had a Patterson fade bottled up. He was in the hip pocket on a crosser as Patterson ran across the field. There was a moment on it when Patterson showed the burst to separate and if the ball was coming to him that might have been a window for the catch but Banks closed it up fairly quick. When Patterson ran stop routes, Banks had him pretty tight. Just overall a win for Banks despite the one catch and the one ball that should've been a catch, probably between them tallying 35 yards. I thought Patterson did a better job on Slay (who is also a fairly highly rated corner) and overall won that matchup especially with that fantastic route and catch in the end zone. If there was one thing in the game that really disturbed me about Patterson it was one play, a deep ball intercepted by Corey Broomfield. It was really an awful ball, no denying that. Thrown way to the inside and Bray never looked off the safety Broomfield. After the throw you could see Bray looking up at it and motioning with his hands for the ball to get to the outside, so he knew he screwed that throw up. But what I didn't like is that Patterson (who got the step vertically) is looking up and tracking the ball, and he's not drifting to the inside where the ball is, and then he sees the ball going too far inside and looks down and sees the safety there...and he kind of gives up. This is just a discipline thing. He's going to need coaches in his ear talking to him about finishing plays. It's not willful or anything like that. There are a ton of players out there like this that need coaches in their ear for this kind of stuff and I know people are going to make it bigger than what it is, but either way it kind of tells me a little bit more about him. The interesting thing to me was how Banks found a way to be Johnthan Banks, for the most part blanketing his coverage responsibilities and even forcing a fumble at one point...yet Patterson still found a way to be Patterson, with ridiculous kick returns, ridiculous run plays, a fantastic one-on-one matchup in the end zone that he won against a good corner, and some other good work as a receiver. Patterson had 2 touchdowns in the game, 2 catches for 25 yards, 3 runs for 57 yards, and 2 kick returns for 113 yards. Of course he had the 98 yard kick return right away so from then on Mississippi State kicked away from him. They would have suffered for it but on one kickoff Tennessee's players were so poorly coached that they didn't know they had to scoop up the ball off a squib kick else Mississippi State could recover it and it would function as a long onside kick. Taken together as a pair, the Alabama-Tennessee and Mississippi State-Tennesse games just re-affirm for me how between Dee Milliner, Johnthan Banks and Cordarrelle Patterson, that should probably be the nucleus of your group of options at #12 overall.
More partying than studying, I'd guess, in Lamar's case. No one could be that dumb after over six months with a playbook.
SO you think banks is back i play at #12? I'd written him off a bit, from reports, but still haven't watched his 2012 games enough (I glanced at a few, but no notes, and not carefully watching). By the way, the bolded is what I meant by that personality trait of just quitting, which was hinted at in the quitting football, can show up a myriad of little ways. I don't know that you should need to ride a top player about attitude. I know a LOT of successful players are far worse (guys who won't block, give up on routes, etc.)... so I'm not saying this kind of thing means a player cannot be successful... it's more something I hate in players and I don't want it on my team. This is such a tiny example though, I wouldn;t throw cordarrelle out with the bathwater for it though (especially not having watched the play you're talking about). Give me a never-quite player any day. Give me 53 and I'll win you a division.
The problem isn't really the playbook IMO. I think it's the pace of the game, the lack of a huddle, all the calls that are always made at the line, etc. If you're not used to that you can screw it up, didn't hear the call, etc.
I don't know that Banks was ever out of play for #12 overall. Certainly not for me. And as for the quitting line...uhhh, yeah no comment. Suffice it to say, agree to disagree.
http://www.tigernet.com/view/story.do?id=8415 Suggest you take a little history lesson, smart mouth. Apology accepted.
There is this misconception that Banks has trouble staying with receivers on deep routes, but I think he showed you against Tennessee that he can stay with a top notch receiver deep. What people are looking at are the play where Kenny Bell beat him deep against Bama and Donte Moncrief beat him deep against Ole Miss. They forget that Banks hurt his knee against MTSU the week before the Alabama game. It wasn't a severe injury, but it was enough that it obviously slowed him down. Against Moncrief, only one of those touchdowns was his fault. The second that Moncrief had, the safety blew his assignment and Banks was trying to cover 2 guys in his cover 3 zone. Moncrief's third TD in that game came when they blitzed Banks off the corner and left Moncrief one on one with Nickoe Whitley. The game footage I wish I could find is Mississippi State vs Louisiana Tech from 2011, because I want to see Banks matched up against Quinton Patton, who is the receiver Banks says was the toughest he had to face - including AJ Green and Julio Jones.
Interestingly enough, I read an interview with Quinton Patton where he said that Banks was the toughest cornerback he faced.
