Sean Smith and the Dolphins "Far Apart" on contract talks

How did he change his market value in 2011? He had the best season he'd ever had to that point.

 

Actually what youre supposed to do is extend them before the last year of their contract so you get to buy a little lower then market value to get the deal done before the player hits FA when he will invariably be overpaid. But that would make sense and thus could never happen with JI at the helm. He didnt do it with Langford, Smith, Long, Bush etc....I can understand not doing that for a RB especially when you have two young talented cheap backs. I can even understand doing it for Long whose had some injuries. But Langford can fit any scheme as a DT or 3-4 DE and Smith should have been locked up last year for 4 years and 20M or something reasonable. But thats Ireland.

 

When Marshall signed the deal that he did...it was obvious that he was being brought in to challenge as a starter. Just those of us assumed back then it was for the inconsistent Smith. Go figure it was Vontae who would end up gone. Injuries decimated the CB's. So what they need to do before FA is have a very good medical report on Marshall's back. If he's going to be good to go then you pretty much have a solid #2 right through the bottom of your depth chart. The only FA's there are Smith/McCann/Stanford.
That still leave them Jimmy Wilson, Marshall, Patterson, Carroll. If we add Smith to that...it's just not good enough.

So my fix would be to go after a better corner in FA. This isn't anything new or to be ashamed about. Lots of teams end up swapping corners in free agency like little FA trades. From here I would try to find a low cost guy to compete with the depth or take a guy in the 4th/5th to push that depth and create more of a fight for a job.

..............and of course get a better FS then Clemons ;p Jairus Byrd would be huge, but I can't see Ireland paying big money for 2 safety's when he knows Jones is a guy you WILL spend big money for later (That's the type of guy you look to re-sign...not goddamn scrubs like Sean Smith).

 

3 years, $16 million is not an obvious contract for a veteran starting cornerback.

 

I don't buy the PFF ratings to be honest but in 2011 he grabbed a whole lot of acclaim as being nigh on unblockable.

PFF ratings seem to matter or not matter very conveniently I find. The ratings are proof that Soliai played worse in 2011 than 2010, yet everyone openly clamors for the Dolphins to pay $9 or $10 million a year for Mike Wallace, whom PFF claims was as bad as Legedu Naanee this year.

 

Good stuff CK. The way some folks react to possible contract amounts around here, you'd think the money was coming out of their pockets.

 

I wonder if they could get Starks to take the same deal? The thing is though, Starks plays a lot more snaps every year than Soliai, while maintaining a similar level of productivity. He may think that means he deserves more, and I guess he would have a point.

 

I guess Barry Jackson did not read this forum before rightly stating our best corner was traded.

 

Whether he is top 40 or not is very much a matter of opinion.

 

WTH are you talking about? Hall was a 1st rounder. Newman and Clements were 1st rounders for other teams.

 

.... and their #17 overall first round pick of last year, Dre Kirkpatrick?

Padre's gone full

 

You pretend that only if you are a blind deluded Ireland loyalist.

 

This preseason. And, since when are preseason depth charts etched in stone?

 

AND Johnathan Joseph was also a Bengals 1st rounder.
Adam Jones was a 1st rounder, too......

 

Word!!!

 

Something you are not exactly familiar with.

 

Marshall has only played 4 games at corner in the NFL?

 

He gave up 6 TDs and I still do not like it.

 

He was drafted 5th round, 2011. So the answer would be no.

 

Good, get it done El Jefe

 

In 2009? Browner was in the CFL through 2010.

 

That he brought on himself.

 

And I'm saying your standards don't adhere to the reality of the draft. People have crazy-*** ideas about what draft results look like, when what actually happens is quite a bit different. Getting an elite, long-term starter in the draft is the exception, not the rule- Regardless of what spot you pick in the first round. Few first round picks actually will be worth at any point during their rookie contract the pick they were selected with. Way more players will be average starters to absolute busts.

Getting a solid to pretty good starter you can trade for a 2nd round pick after a couple years is factually speaking an above-average result in the first round. That's contrary to the song and dance that get sold to you around draft time, but by all means, go look at some draft results.

 

There's really no shortcuts, look at the players, and put it in a context.

In the first round of a draft, roughly a third of the players are guys who lived up to their pick, a third are pretty good to average players, and about a third are awful players who are bad starters or are unable to get on the field.

I thought about that, and the first draft you can really look at in that regard(2007) has Levi Brown right up at the top as a first round pick who stuck with their original team past their rookie contract.

 

At that price let him walk he is not worth that money. Get out of here Sean Smith you're drunk.

 

Were you previously unaware that you're a blind, deluded Ireland loyalist?

 

thanks Grid, so I wasn't crazy for saying 7 mill would be to much?

 

Yeah, learn how to ****ing tackle first.

 

As I recall, the majority voted negative. The wishy washy fence sitting neutral voters were fewer than the negatives, but substantially more than the positives.

 

They also used a 1st on Joseph not that long ago, so the pattern for the Bengals seems to me to be they value quality at the position.

 

Let him walk, we still have Vontae at a tiny number for next year. Use Sean Smith's demand money to shop for a replacement and added depth.

Oh..wait..

 

The perception of draft success is inflated by the hoopla surrounding a process about which the predominant thought is "this is where my team is going to improve!"

 

You mean the ones who don't believe they're omniscient about the inner workings of the team over the last four years?

 

I have said I would want to sign Smith for $5M/yr but I would likely go up to $7M/yr.

I don't think Smith's initial "asking price" at $7.2M/yr is unreasonable considering all the circumstances... he's asking for high end #2 CB money which I think is fine.

What we need to do is re-sign Smith and draft Millner or Banks like I originally said. Most teams don't have two nickel cornerbacks on their roster at $5M/yr (Marshall/Patterson); in fact 25 other teams have players on their rookie contracts starting at nickel back (slated to start in August/September). Looking at it now, I don't know why Ireland felt the need to spend on such luxury.

 

as should we, BTW...