RUMOR: Stephen Ross met with Scouts, Inc's Mike Giddings Jr. in last 72 hours

The very best Info guys break stuff on Twitter all the time. Jay Glazer especially.

This is too weird of a story to lie about. This story will gain him no publicity unless it is true.

 

Las Vegas and gamblers have been posting lines since way before computers and sophisticated modeling. That stuff can't tell you if the QB is doing blow, or the LB just got a 3rd woman preganant, or how bad the CB's shoulder is really injured. If you think gamblers put millions on the line without knowing that stuff then you're dreaming.

And I agree that this guy isn't Vegas, but he was vouched for by Marc Kohn, who is absolutely plugged in, so I'm willing to buy the story for now.

 

I have actually had a conversation with you along these lines before. NFL organizations abhor gambling/gamblers. They will go to almost any length to prevent anything remotely resembling an association with gambling.

 

It's way too bizarre.

Who would even care about this other than hard core Dolphins fans?

 

I mean if a lot of the league buys draft services from this guy, what is wrong with Ross meeting with him?

While I am on the fence I like Ireland more than I dislike him. That being said, we have no clue what they could have talked about.

The one thing I do know is that I like how proactive Ross is.

 

It is just weird enough for him to be wrong about it.

 

Which does not seem to jive with the promotion of fantasy football

 

This. Guy is a hack.

 

Thats ridiculous. 99% of winning gamblers are hitting opening lines.

If anything this just invalidates Marc Kohn's claim to being plugged-in.

 

How so? There is no "house" in fantasy football.

 

That is the only reason why I might believe it.

 

I don't see anything wrong with Mr Ross consulting an outside opinion about the team from an expert per se who doesn't live in a Miami Dolphins vacuum, regardless of whether he is or isn't looking to replace Ireland. Any team that doesn't make the postseason should be doing so IMO.

 

Im not arguing with you. But I have thought this position of the NFL to FF to be hypocritical. Nobody plays for free and they know this.

 

Yeah, and Jay Glazer isn't selling MLB/NFL/NBA/CFB picks on a website. Surely if Jay Glazer were to ever become a tout, he would be ostracized from any NFL circles he's in.

I think this is exactly weird enough to lie about. Its obscure enough to not receive much scrutiny.

 

But why do it?

He's not followed by beat writers on twitter. Who was he trying to impress?

 

This very much could be a consultation on the roster from the perspective of whether or not Giddings, Jr. believes the GM job is adequately addressed in Miami rather than whether he would like the job.

Ross seems very willing to consult with people on the state of the team. He may be asking Giddings what he thinks about our GM's job rather than our GM job.

 

Here is a good article about Mike Giddings: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1125863/index.htm

 

That article is actually about his father, who originated the scouting system.

Now Giddings, Jr., runs the company. But still, interesting article.

 

Two points I want to make here:

A. Its very likely that someone associated with an NFL team giving Payne this type of information constitutes a crime

B. There are two parts to this. Stephen Ross meeting with Giddings, and Stephen Ross meeting with Giddings about the GM position. Suggesting they met wouldn't necessarily be problematic. It doesn't require the degree of "inside" information that would be cause for concern. When you get into the details of what is discussed, then that indicates a rather high degree of "inside" information that would likely be obtained only through someone with a high-level affiliation.

 

Not out of the blue that a consultant/head hunter ends up with the job they were consulting for.

 

People like us? Remember when people were debating incarceratedbob's legitimacy? I never heard of Payne prior to this.

 

One Quote Dick Vermeil said about a observation Giddings made

I find this very, very interesting considering our draft last year.

 

Huh?

 

Is it that unusual for teams to hire external scouting services to complement their existing scouting .

 

Considering Ross has minimal football experience, I'd probably pay an objective 3rd party to bounce ideas off of (or bounce Ireland's ideas off of), too, especially with such a potentially opportunistic offseason in front of us, and especially when it involves Ross opening his own checkbook for a couple hundred million in contracts. Perhaps this involves stuff like the recent talks about bringing in Wallace, Bowe, or Jennings, and due to what happened the last time Mr Ross dished out big money for a receiver, he's doing some extra due diligence on the matter.

 

Joe Bailey comes to mind.

 

I was wondering about that. I know sometimes people chose to use/not use their surnames at different times only because I am the IV of my name.

I think the biggest thing about potentially hiring Giddings Jr. is the fact that we would have his expertise, but no one else in the entire league would. It would make drafting almost like insider trading on Wall Street.

 

I wonder if there's a conflict of interest involved with hiring Giddings as a GM considering his consulting ties to a few dozen teams.

 

That is sad when you have your teams GM seeking other opinions about a guy. Even if Ross suggested it, you would think Ireland would be able to tell him everything he needed to know about Tannehill. Just sad.

 

He might have to distance himself from being an active member of the company in such a scenario.

 

Obviously, he would have to stop consulting and would be limited to working for the Dolphins if we hired him.

 

The rules are there to prevent NFL organizations from being compromised by guys like Payne.

You can wager on the NFL draft. Payne - who markets gambling services to the public - potentially has access to inside information from an organization that provides scouting consultation to NFL teams? There is a very obvious conflict, if he truly has this information.

 

What? 2nd opinions are sad?

 

Seems as if Mike Jr was helping his fathers business for a long time.