The Talent Surrounding Ryan Tannehill: Part II

More accurate throw hits Hartline in stride, heading down hill, with the ball placed above his hips and below his shoulder pads.

Tannehill simply does not do that consistently at this point.

As for DBess, I never fault a player for trying to make a play, this is one of the reasons why I'm a Reggie Bush fan.

Only Dolphins fans can demand playmakers, then have one and be mixed about keeping him.

 

Upgrading WR is upgrading WR it has nothing to do with or little to do with Tannehill and his play. The reason you upgrade is because you want the receiving corps better NO MATTER WHO IS QB, they will be better even if its Matt Moore playing.

 

There is not a team in the world that can say they are withoutadoubt 100% satisfied with their quarterbacks performance, and they have nothing to work on. so the question is invalid.

But, I'll answer it anyway, considering he is a rookie, i'd say 100% yes they are satisfied with what they have seen, 'as-is', to know 1) he needs better talent around him. 2) he has several things to work on, as most, if not all rookies do.

Also that complete evades the point I made. You accused me of strawmanning, when I in no way absurdly started throwing out an unequivalent and unrealistic Z point to refute a point in an X-Y Debate, and then ask me THAT question?

Strawman pot meet strawman kettle.

 

That would be a cool story if BLine didn't also **** up plays while being hit in stride as well.

And then unfortunately, being hit open 'in stride' also is correlated with separation/speed/talent.

 

And you can't do any objective analysis because you have a predetermined bias that the WR are good and its Tannehill that is the problem.

You cannot or won't (for some weird reason) inexorably accept the fact that the Dolphins WR corps is below par and that has inhibited the offense MORE than any shortcomings on Tannehill's part.

No one doubts that Tannehill could be better. But the main reason this offense basically failed this year, is because the WR corps and TE corps need to be manned by different players. They are trying to force square pegs into round holes and they need time to upgrade and invest in better WR's.

That is where I believe the fundamental shortcoming of this organization lies, and that is in talent procurement. Is Ireland up to the task ? So far his results in this critical area are less than stellar.

 

Because Tannehill is not more at fault than the talent is for leaving as many points/plays on the field (after the pass is caught and its out of the QBs hands). Hence why we are going to acquire playmakers in the offseason. Hence why your point is wrong. I could go back and slowly watch every game of the season to highlight and prove that the talent is to blame for more 'missed opportunities' than bad throws or QB mistakes, but I have a life, so I can't. Instead I can join the other millions of fans, writers, beat writers, reporters, radio hosts/guests, and commentators in using our eyes.

which... again.... goes back to my point.

"So...by that logic If we don't upgrade his supporting cast... That would make you correct.

And if we draft/sign playmakers and upgrades to replace them... that would make you incorrect."

 

What I have seen with my own eyes this year is that both RT and his weapons around him are all equal contributors to killing drives.

 

Not as much as one thinks, and Bline is not slow.

That route relies on timing and ball placement between Qb and Wr more than raw speed.

 

Below par is an understatement. Hartline has been 'whatever' his whole nfl career, and gets his first 250 yard game, 1k yard season, his name on franchise records, and even had the most yards for an NFL receiver for several weeks in a row.

But considering its Tannehills first year, AND its never happened before this year... THEY ARE NOT RELATED. TANNEHILL BAD, WR CORE GOOD.

Jokes.

 

Well, the issue is, if both parties are responsible then why does only half of the equation receive the blame?

Qb's miss throws, Wr's drop passes, the real key imo is continuity and professional growth and a similar offensive system for a couple of years.

Why this year is not seen as Tannehill played well for a Rook Qb and Hartline had a breakout year is simply a product of an odd sort of Dolphins fan world view imo.

Bline's first yr as the #1 guy, Tannehill's rookie season, things could be much worse.

 

Everyone agrees with that, this is about who is more to blame.

 

Padre a great part of Tannehill's problem in sorting this out, is the fact he came out at the same time RGIII, Luck and Wilson did and they seem to be better than he is as rookies, and that it was made clear to everyone that Tannehill should have had a jump start on everyone else because of his familiarity and knowledge of the offense. It seems like a disappointing year, when in most years it would be seen as a bit of a triumph considering the poor WR & TE corps we have. It's his dumb luck to be drafted when they were.

 

Better weapons will help his ratings, won't help him become a better Qb though, only quicker awareness, and a quicker body will..he's a good amount behind the level of play we saw from the three other rooks..

 

I give up. Others can debate it out, its almost time for Christmas Dinner, I can smell the rib roast and pecan & pumpkin pies - the other son and daughter and their families will be here soon.

Cheers everyone for a great Christmas day.

 

I can't deny this at all. No question he needs to improve, and a lot. But also he needs better weapons too.

 

If you are arguing about who is more to blame then you do not agree with it, I said equal.

RT does not deliver the ball with consistency and his receivers do not make receptions consistently. None of them do anything that have made me think that they have something special in talent.

 

A couple of things there:

-Some of those Rook Qb's are running low level offenses. Lots of read options not a lot of in pocket reads, looks great now but can come back to haunt as defenses catch up to them.

-Arguably some of those teams had better offensive cores when they arrived, is Hartline as good as say Garcon or Wayne? Probably not yet.

-Wilson had Lynch and Tate when he arrived and they had signed Rice the year before and Leon Washington hanging around.

Excuses? probably a bit, also think if we win those two games early in the year Tannehill would be among those names thought to be playing well (as in team will make playoffs).

Those 2 losses had nothing to do with any of the issues brought up so far and points to the reality of this being a team sport, if one unit fails it can easily color a season even all the way back in September and October, and it does not take much to fail in this league.

 

I hate this argument. If RT was playing well, people would say so regardless of the rest of the QB class.

 

This is a great point that should be brought up far more often when discussing the offense's struggles.

First year in a new offense for everyone.

 

Tannehill will be here for a long time so to me, this argument is silly as well.

I can understand a THill v Wilson comparison as the situation in 2011 was similar, RG3 and Luck though, came into the classic last place schedule situation leading to a bounce back season for the franchise, the real test will be 2013 when they have to face playoff caliber team schedules.

BUT in the short sighted nature that is the NFL, that sort of long view is simply rarely used, all hype right now.

Ask Cam Newton how this works.

 

Correlated.

 

Agree there. I've been looking at draft scenarios though and don't see how we can make that work unless a decent TE remains by the late second round. Fauria?

 

I think this is taking us off topic. Maybe you can start a Poll about Shou in its own thread (if it weren't against TOS).

Lol.

 

No offense but I dont think your being objective in your analysis. Your basing your conclusions on the QBR which is a flawed path of resoning. I am not saying what I say just to get along I am voicing my honest opinion.

RT does not deliver the ball where it needs to be often enough and the receivers do not catch the ball often enough when it is delivered where it can be caught. Nobody on the offense is making big plays except Bush. RT does have a few nice moments but not enough to annoint him as anything but a rookie QB with indications of potential that he might grow into something better. Hartline has had a few good grabs but he too has shown nothing more then potential to grow into something better. Bess has been OK at times but mostly invisable out there. Fasano has been OK but neither really good or really bad.

I think if they find chemsitry between one another everything might click and elevate all of their games, which would be a nice surprise. ATM I would not be offended at seeing them draft competetion at any of those postions including QB.

The entire offense is very average and it shows in our record.

 

Cam who

 

Pecan pie is the most delicious pie ever.

Have a great Xmas dinner ashbirchteak!

 

I think one factor not added into "objective" analysis is the lack of a linkage between 1 game performance vs where the Defense ranked at the time of the game.

For example, by using bulk stats what happens is every defense appears to be at the same effectiveness level, this is also not how the game works.

A passing Td vs say the 49ers counts the same as a passing Td (or a receiving Td) vs the Jags, when reality is one defense is far far better than the other, stats say they all count the same.

 

Haha!!! I was going to type that and said 'Nah, Shou will say it.'

You're getting predictable! Time to throw us a curve.