The Talent Surrounding Ryan Tannehill: Part II

From watching all yr Bpk, imo they protect Tannehill be not calling plays for him to throw the ball into the EZ in the redzone.

Not unlike when we went Wildcat in 09 to score Td's, imo it held Henne's development back.

THEN the solution became not "bite the bullet, accept the int's" but "we got Brandon "beast" Marshall!!!"

Whom of course proceeded to drop about 50% of the Td's he eventually produced, but demanded the ball at all times in that situation.

This is why I'm reticent about "sign so and so, savior of the Wr corps"!

 

People need to take their egos out of these discussions so we can get somewhere fruitful. Labels like 'foolish' are puerile, emotional and not related to analyzing the situation from a place of common interest as fans.

Sermon done.... as if I have any right to sermonize, so sorry about that. I just think we are better than this.

My two cents are in a thread I started on october 2nd:

Now, since then I've had 11 more weeks to watch Ryan. I'm leaning towards him having a bright future, but that doesn't mean he is executing as well as he can today. He still misses opportunities. He is playing fairly well for a rookie... but not fairly well for a starting NFL QB.

He looks like he will develop into a keeper. But he has not already developed.

He looks likely to be our franchise QB for years to come, and years with winning records... but he is not capable of carrying us to that today.

so, really, everyone is right. Some of us have a vision of what will be, and are focusing on it, while others are focusing on what 'isn't' yet and describing it. The clash is one of perspective. We look upon the same thing from different vantages. Neither of us is right, as yet a third vantage would provide yet a third viewpoint.

The only truth is not one from the perspective of the viewer.

 

exactly. Thank you. I don't think he sucks. I think he is "that guy". But he's had problems. Not a big deal. He's smart enough to figure it out IMO. And he will.

 

Well, breaking the 4th qtr comeback drought was no small thing either Bpk, good with the bad.

Carp doesn't miss those 2 he'd have stomped all over it.

Funny thing is, seeing your sigpic and how he hold the ball on the back stroke, it really does remind of Marino back in the day.

 

I don't think they've been protecting him in the redzone. I just think we actually do run the ball pretty well when the end zones in sight. I'll give bush (and even Thomas a few times) credit. They do run well down there.

Also no big wrs and subpar TE play, etc. We've had to get pretty creative in the redzone this year. Lanes td catch, tannehills option keepers, fasanos play action catches. Kudos to Sherman IMO.

 

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but how many of our players knew this offense before the season started? 1? We had a rookie QB, who at times had no running game, helping the rest of the offense learn the playbook throughout the whole season. So first year QB, first year Coaches, first year new offensive scheme. Of course our offense wasn't going to be world class. It should be better next year when we add a few new pieces, others know more to help more, not to mention everyone gets use to playing together.

 

Jury is still so far out, it's almost not even worth talking about at this point.
Some very good in his game.
Some very bad in his game.

 

End thread/

 

The kid is a rookie, and our current receiving talent are back ups or on the bench in any other NFL organization

not much to debate.

 

Youre right, an OP and 10 pages of people disagreeing with you.

edit: Oh and padre.

 

Same reason I click most threads on this board, To either Learn or Laugh, the title was obvious on this one.

I wonder why anyone within the 10 pages of non agreeance clicked on it for that matter?

 

I wouldn't debate a herd of people that disagree with me and provide nonfacts and a somewhat scary bias as my defense.

You think we have pro bowl receiving talent and tannehill is a problem, Thats cool man, whatever works for you.

edit: and I don't really think people telling you that you need to get a grip on reality are trying to have a debate with you.

 

So considering everyone knows Tannehill needs more weapons and better ones at that, and the kid is damn good as a rookie.

Then tell me, what does Shou know, that the team, the fans, the commentators that call the games, the writers, beat writers, and reporters don't know? I mean you must really know something extremely valuable and credible that you are keeping as a dirty little secret to be against what everyone and their grandmothers seem to be in agreeance with..... on the basis that their eyes work.....

Surely everyone is wrong. We probably won't sign or draft any playmaking talent either since... You know.... We don't need any. and RTH is just hindering their excellence. (giving them franchise records while setting his own)

 

B/c it appears to be a good answer, and is rather the norm for Dolphins fans, always go for the low hanging fruit so to speak.

It's not that Tannehill is learning the position, it is that darn wr corps!

Sign Mike Wallace!
Sign Bowe!
Draft So and So, all conference player from MidWestern Cow Conference!! He's AWESOME!!!


I've seen this so many times it is rather comical for me, look at it this way, when Pennington arrived here he took Greg Camarillo and made him into a good Wr, Fasano scored more Td's than he has since etc.

Ted Ginn almost had 1k yds

Noticing a pattern?

 

Our Wrs sucking isn't breaking news.

 

No i'm not noticing a pattern with that example at all.
BLine had a 1k yard season, his first ever. Are you?


are you trying to make a case that upgrading our receiving hands would do nothing but help Tannehill? It's pretty funny because there isn't one person who is saying Tannehill is second coming of god and can do no wrong, everyone is in agreeance that he needs to get better and improve in certain areas (FOR A ROOKIE? NOWAI) From every post i'm reading that disagrees with you the only point people are trying to make is that adding playmakers to an offense that has ZERO outside of their runningbacks sporadic crazylegs would help the rookie. HELP him.

 

No the isssue is that certain people liked other qbs and didnt want RT so any window to show they are right they take, dont waste your breatj

 

Thats weird.... let me re-read my posts.

hmmm.

Nope, Not once did I say the talent around RTH is more responsible for his performance than he himself is.


Does that mean the talent around him as individuals are anything above subpar? No. (Numbers don't lie. I know you love them)
Does that mean they are playmakers we need? No.
Does that mean they haven't left AN UNGODLY AMOUNT of plays and TDs on the field because of the SOLELY THE QB? No.
Does that mean the talent we have would even see the field on any other NFL team? No.

Again. The point is not that RTH doesn't need to improve, FFS. But if you think BLine and Bess are among the rest of the all world playmakers he needs, I'd like to buy some pot from you.

In the meantime, I'll continue to regard your argument as an unsupported theory, because thats what it is. Your data supports nothing, especially in the OP. Also teeters on the realm of invalid in the first place because you seem to be thinking people are trying to make a point that they aren't

Edit: If your theory is right, we should not be acquiring a single playmaker or playmaker position this offseason. Surely the front office and our GM have access to wonderful data like the cute chart in the OP, so they know without a doubt that we do not need to pick up a single WR or TE upgrade in the offseason. Tannehill just has to get ALOT better.

 

RT was all we really had, unless they wanted to sit tight for Russel Wilson and I don't believe taking a Qb in the 3rd rd and calling it done would have pleased anyone.

That said, I also think the "get a Wr!" stuff is equally nonsense, the Qb drives the offense not the other way around, you can only cover for that for so long and then you have Nacho Sanchez, we tried doing it the other way with Henne and it did not work.

I prefer to draw my conclusion from all of this rather than the blind hope some Wr with an "S" on their chest will vault Tannehill.

 

So when we don't draft or sign a single WR or playmaking TE this offseason, you can call yourself correct.

 

So in your world, you believe Tannehill would play the exact same, and have the EXACT same results, QBR, and win ratio if he had elite playmakers lined up around him?

"Nonsense" and "blind hope" he says

 

Your argument is purely that Tannehill is more at fault for performance than his supporting cast

So...by that logic (and common sense ) If we don't upgrade his supporting cast... That would make it seem as if you are correct.

And if we draft/sign playmakers and upgrades to replace them... that would make you incorrect and show upgrades were needed.

That is grasping for straws.... how exactly?

 

Indeed, both hit home quiet effectively.

"Elite" playmakers take years to assemble, there is no "magic" miami formula to make it happen otherwise, this takes yrs to build.

And yet, laughably so, every yr I hear the same song from my fellow phins fans "..if only we had so and so!.."

As we saw with Brandon Marshall..uhm, nope, league doesn't work like that, think of Romo with TO, great numbers poor on the field results, until Austin was developed, and added to Witten, then Bryant was added, the Cowboys had to put up with TO and they did not win.

To put it another way, Hartline and Bess would probably be better with a different Qb.

 

Week after week I see more talented receivers make catches ours don't. And I'm not talking the crazy catches, the ones that separate good receivers from average receivers. I have seen a lot of throws that we're just a bit over thrown or put only where the receiver could get it to be dropped just off the finger tips, that better receivers would have made look like play ground game a catch. To think or insinuate our receivers are comparable to those 2 is just plain silly.

I respect the heck out of you, but come on man.

 

Seriously ? Dude really ? You believe the problem is Tannehill even though every scouting expert, TV analyst and everything I have heard on the radio and elsewhere (from Mayock to Marriucci to Sanders to anyone with any credibility) have said that the Dolphins lack talent at WR ?

Are you just being contrarian out of some sick joke or what ?

 

I agree, if bess had someone else throw him the ball, he wouldn't make bad decisions and run backwards 5 yards instead of a 2.5 foot reach for a first down.

and Hartline DEFINITELY wouldn't catch the ball, plant his feet comfortably, turn to an open field to run on, and trip from absolutely nothing or a gust of wind, atleast 5 times. Theres NO WAY that would happen with other QBs. I'm pretty sure Tom Brady would actually throw the ball so hard, Hartline would catch it and it would pick him up and carry him to the endzone.

 

Yep, I'll say it.

Tannehill is one of the issues the offense has had this year, usual rookie hot and cold streaks.

Mayock also loved Pat White.

I've watched the same games they have and have seen Tannehill miss scoring throws, as for the argument that "..if only they were.."

Qb's job is to deliver the ball accurately, consistently, that is what makes a passing offense work not "he runs a 4.3!"

This is where draftheads run off of the rails imo, they see stats from the Combine (chuckle) and just assume they can then translate on the field and the game does not work like this. BUT they are so invested in the "second season" (pre draft run up and hype) they have to sell that as how it works.