The Talent Surrounding Ryan Tannehill: Part II

Not sure what he created other then taking already created data. What part of his methodology do you think he is creating something with?

who tried?

 

To me, just from watching, it tells me that those two teams value a passing attack much more so than we do. I would be interested in seeing the balance of each teams offense, run vs pass attempts - especially in the red zone and the number of rushing TDs in that area as well. I am pretty sure we have a much higher tendency to run in the red zone than pass, for example. Why? Because, I don't think we have the WRs or TEs that match up well on a consistent basis in that area.

 

He created the "correlation" between points and QBR as some sort of stat that is indicative of anything. Surely you see that.

You did along with him, if you defend his stance.

 

I think both of you are trying so hard to look "smart" that you are pretending a statistic like QBR is entirely indicative of the QB himself.

Those games with the higher QB ratings were also against teams with poor defenses where our lack of skill position players didn't stab us in the gut. Against teams with better defenses when our skill players were over matched his QB rating was lower. Do you know what that means?

It means that with BETTER skill position players they would be overmatched LESS OFTEN resulting in MORE games with a higher QB rating.

You both sound very foolish at the moment. Also yes I'm sure you can find a game where he had a good QB rating against a good defense or a bad QB rating against a bad defense. An exception doesn't make the rule. I can honestly tell neither of you have ever played QB on any level or you'd know how foolish you sound.

 

I bet they both also had MORE games with those type of ratings due to the players around him. We've lost two (three?) games by three points. It tells me their better skill position players help to make up that margin giving them a better chance to win.

 

You and I are lining up at the WR spots next week. Don't worry it won't affect Ryans QB rating or our chances at winning.

 

You said it better then I, though I was going to try but, I took a different angle. I think that you can not simplify this into a couple of stats. This is one of the ultimate team sports. So much relies on everyone doing their part and beating the man across from them. If someone makes a mistake it can cost you the entire play. From penalties, to causing 10 fumbles but not recovering any of them... etc. There is too much involved.

 

When I hear the Head Coach saying that our players aren't getting enough separation and our GM say we have 4s, 5s, and 6s... I am going to believe that we don't have the talent at WR that those other teams have. If our own front office can admit to it, then why can't we acknowledge it?

 

So... because you choose certain numbers to look at and draw a correlation between them then, those specific things that I mentioned, what the front office is telling us is BS? I am not arguing that Tannehill is without fault.

 

Tannehill through today = 76.9
Luck through today = 75.9

Clearly, Luck is holding back his team.

 

Why dont we compare Tannehill as a rookie vs Brady or Ryan or Peyton or Eli or Brees. Not saying he was perfect but neither were those guys. Youre comparing Ryan as a 5th year QB and Brady in what his 12th season vs Tannehill as a rookie? Thats just not a fair comparison on multiple levels.

For one those teams are SB contenders and were expected to be. We were expected to be a 6-7 win team (Vegas put the over/under at 6.5 wins for Miami).
Two those QB's are veterans like I mentioned. Tannehill is a rookie. How did the other elites do as rookies?
Three, if you want to sit here and convince yourself that Julio Jones/Roddy White/Tony Gonzalez arent significantly better then Brian Hartline/Davone Bess/Anthony Fasano...I just dont know what to tell you. Thats just crazy talk chief.

Im not saying Tannehill is or will be elite though Id like to believe he will progress that far youre not comparing things on an equal grounds. Check out Eli Mannings stats are a rookie or 1st full year as a starting QB. Its possible to suck in year one (which Tannehill hasnt) and then turn out good...which is basically the path Eli took.

 

What do you think the front office would tell you about the play of its receivers, in comparison tot he best receivers in the league, if it were being completely open and honest?

 

We agree. It's a Christmas miracle!

I appreciate your taking the 30 seconds to get that "games over 24 points" stat, as I was too busy today to argue with inadvertent trolls....

Cheers & Happy Holidays!

 

That shows me that the patriots supporting cast is 3.5 points better and that the falcons supporting cast is 2 points better.
The added 3.5 points from the patriots supporting cast would bring us from the 25th ranked offense to the 17th just ahead of the colts. So while tannehill must improve for us to become a Super Bowl contender, certainly that 3.5 points would be a nice benefit to our team.

 

That he is a rookie, with less starting experience in college when compared to the other rookies starting this year, but has made great progression throughout the year. Also, that he is not a 5 plus year veteran on teams that have been building their talent around him for 5 plus years. Not to mention he is driving a team that is, per player age and experience, amongst the youngest in the league.

 

I have seen you ask this numerous times and the answer is because rookie quarterbacks do not normally take over a team that just got done with a run into the playoffs. Normally if a rookie quarterback is starting that means that the team around him could not be expected to win a Super Bowl that season. So yes normally a rookie quarterback will have poor skill position players.

 

ROFL......Im sorry man....Shou...I love ya bro. But....did u just try and sell that the talent around Tannehill isnt worse then Brady or Ryan? I got two things that say your wrong....right eye..and left eye.

 

So, what you're saying is... If Tom Brady were our QB we would be ranked number one in offense in the league?

 

Like I said tannehill absolutely must improve, but how is it fair to ask tannehill to play like arguably the very best quarterback in the league but be accepting of anything less from his supporting cast?

 

But if we are just as talented, then why not?

 

OK...so....

In layman's terms Shou....

What is it exactly you are trying to say?.....

That...a teams good offensive performance is more directly related to the play of the QB and less on the players he is surrounded by?

 

I saw many 3rd and long situtations caused by recievers not catching balls as well as many failed 3rd down conversions fail for the same reason. All resulting in stalled drives and posession changes. While I'm far from being convinced that RT is the franchise QB everyone hopes he is. I certainly acknowledge that the offensive struggles this year are not soley on him.

 

Lol give it a rest.

This thread is literally six pages of crap, and the first post is the worst of it. The only person that agrees with you is unluckyluciano, and no one has fist bumped anything of yours. Sure, it's fallacious to immediately assume that majority is synonymous with truth, but man... Shou... You have nothing. Nothing you have said has proven that our "offensive weapons" are equal to Atlanta's or New England's, as originally suggested. Nothing.

You even got me to agree with phinsational and remove Finacious D from my ignore list. You're that bad.

It's Christmas Eve, don't you have anything better to do than troll?

I'm just going to go ahead and pretend that you were playing the role of the Christmas Carol ghosts by getting everyone on the board together to love one another for the holidays....

 

Okay... one is a rookie and the other a 12 year vet... It doesn't take much to see that the 12 year vet, and one of the best in the league, would net you a better offense. So... since that is too damn obvious. Are you saying that Moore would have landed us in the playoffs?

 

Its a bit unfair to compare RT to a future first ballot HOF QB, dont you think.

I doubt Flacco would of had much more sucess here in his rookie year with the same surrounding cast and I would also converserly expect RT would likely put up Flacco like numbers if he had the 2008 Ravens offense around him.

 

I think honestly....given the sum of all things....

The quality of the defenses we faced...

Hes a rookie QB....

New coaching staff.....

Lack of offensive weapons around him....

All played a part in our offense not being as explosive as we all liked.

But...IMO...I saw enough for me to believe...that year 2...with more skill players around him...will see the offensive production improve greatly.