Does this change your opinion of Jeff Ireland? it does for me...maybe.

Doesn't change anything for me, as you already broke news of the Maclin talks earlier this year and thus it's factored into my thinking of Ireland. Simultaneously, Nate Washington does not exactly inspire me with confidence.

 

Not really, Maclin isn't a 1 like we need.

 

If they like Maclin that trade might be available after the season depending on how much housecleaning the Eagles do.

Maclin plus Hunter/Austin/Patterson I could live with. Add a Finley and Ireland would get praise even from me

 

Good player IMO.

 

I don't remember having a warm and fuzzy feeling inside after that move, and I know a lot of other fans didn't either. Most Dolphin fans saw it for what it was- a panic move by Wanny and Speilman.

 

Whether Maclin is a "true #1" or not isn't the point.

I think a lot of people are underestimating that on any given play, we generally have two competent options, since Fasano has to block a lot. That's the most infuriating thing about Nanee, had he just been competent, we are in the playoffs. We've accomplished quite a bit with only two viable options in the passing game.

 

Maclin for a 2nd would have been fine with me. We don't necessarily need an elite WR. Someone like Maclin and a better threat at TE and this offense opens up quite a bit.

 

Yes.

 

I think he's a decent to good WR, but I'm not sure of his fit in a theoretical Maclin/Hartline/Bess WR group. Maybe if Ireland had planned to trade Bess… then I could understand, get behind, and even applaud that WR group.

I also think Ireland may have been overreacting to Washington's 2011 season, which is not exactly his norm.

 

I do think a Maclin/Hartline on the field at the same time is much better than Hartline/Bess on the field.

 

Who do you imagine is available for a 2nd round pick?

 

sure does!! who cares that he failed, at least he tried! A for effort Jeffy!!! 10 year extension baby!!!!!

 

I disagree completely. They want the players to play with a sense of urgency. If the entire organization isn't practicing what they preach then I think we have found the core problem.

 

lol. You cannot compare playing with a sense of urgency with making personnel moves out of urgency. That's silly, actually.

**** it, the execs should wear shoulder pads to since the players have to.

 

He fits quite well in the O. He's a better WR than given credit for.

 

I don't think the old WR Trio archetype of a superstar all world guy at #1, reliable solid guy at #2 and little flea type guy in the slot matters for this offense.

 

Im glad that he tried, disapointed that he failed. Maybe that means that he'll try again this offseason. If he fails again, he's done, so I imagine he'll try harder.

 

That's backward logic. Sorry, the LAST thing we should be doing is using Hartline & Bess to determine whether or not Maclin or whomever is a good fit considering he'd be the best receiver on this team. If you're attempting any kind of "fit" you bring in a Jeremy Maclin or whomever and find the receivers to fit with him, not the other way around.


And how would Maclin not fit in that theoretical group? Too much speed, playmaking ability, and scoring potential for them?

 

Are you kidding? 2 proven skilled position NFL players were traded and weren't replaced. Plain and simple. Do you really think the players are oblivious to this stuff? I thought the GM's job was to close holes not create more. I know, next man up and all.

 

Are YOU kidding? Marshall is on an 8-6 Bears team, leads the NFL in catches, and is 2nd in both yards & TDs, yet he's in the process of cracking. Convenient of you to ignore those same but worse issues we had with him as if they would've simply disappeared into beautiful smelling Brooklyn Decker farts this year.

And we did bring in a proven vet to replace Vontae. You're wrong to think Richard Marshall + and extra 2nd rounder is worth less than Vontae alone after how he showed up to camp out of shape, was making terrible preseason mistakes, and got himself demoted to 3rd string after having already showed up to practice with a hangover/drunk and suspended for the KC game. At what point is enough-enough for you? At what point do you start holding players accountable?

 

What the hell would you have him do? The Eagles set a price, Dolphins agreed, then the Eagles changed their minds. Should Ireland have kept throwing more chips into the pot?

 

I'm not *****ing about getting rid of him, I'm *****ing about not replacing him.

 

You must be kidding. I'm no Sammie Smith fan but compared to Lamar Gordon, Sammie had a All Pro career.

 

We had a spare #2..unless the Eagles saw it and backed out of the deal and asked for a #1?

They'd have known we just dumped Marshall.

 

Oh man! Why did you have to remind us of Gordon?

 

Have to know the timing, if we traded Marshall relying on the Eagles to follow through then Ireland will have made a fairly large mistake imo.

 

The fact that you think I'm talking about Maclin tells me all I need to know about the extent to which you read that post.

 

not having an immediate Marshall replacement doesn't mean we should ignore 2 3rd rounders and subject our team to any Marshall distractions, his potential implosion, and any hinderance he might pose in regards to making this team Tannehill's. It's not like we openly traded a model player who wasn't somewhat forcing our hand. Removing his distracting, pain in the *** presence was as or more important than finding his immediate replacement.

 

He fits in the scheme, yes. I'm not sure he fits in that roster. That is, I'm not sure his skills set himself apart in that group. It seems like a glut of similar guys without much differentiation, Maclin aside.

I'd have looked at Robert Meachem instead, just to give an example.

 

Your post spoke of a theoretical group of Maclin/Hartline/Bess which is what I initially thought you were referring to since the talk was originally about Maclin. Apologies for misinterpreting it.

 

I agree with that. Should not have traded Marshall until Maclin was in the bag. IMO, he seemed too anxious to trade Marshall. There is no way anyone can convince me that Tannehill wouldn't have benefited by having Marshall in the lineup this season.

IMO, had we kept both Marshall and Davis, the way everything else played out, this was a very likely playoff team. So what if neither one were ever Eagle Scouts. It appears we have a coach who wants 53 Eagle scouts and a GM all too willing to help him reach that goal.

 

It's not like they had to trade him right away just because they had an offer. They could have got more for him had they been patient. The problem is they did it bassackwards to me...

 

My post spoke of whether, in my opinion, Nate Washington would fit into a group of Maclin/Hartline/Bess, as part of a reply chain alen initiated with me.

Apology accepted.

 

at his salary cost, past history, and his recent personal turmoil at the time (night club stuff and domestic issues), I don't think we would've recouped more than 2 3rds.

The Jets got the troubled Santonio Holmes for a 5th rounder despite Holmes coming off a 79 catch, 1248 yard, 5 TD season.
Compare that to Marshall's 2 year average here of 84 catches, 1114 yards, and 4.5 TDs.

In comparison, two 3rd rounders seems like a fair to good deal on our end.

 

Yes, let's praise Ireland for a deal he didnt make.

We have truely hit rock bottom.

 

I wen't back a handful of posts to catch up to yours. You caught me off guard b/c I was in the mindset of just signing one of the receivers, Maclin or Washington, rather than both, my friend. But I agree, if we signed both, I'd want to cut Bess for money sake.

 

Exactly!!! Don't trade one your best players until you have his replacement locked up.

 

Hey, it's not like you don't already have a hotel room set up with smack and crack whores.