In Hindsight do you still trade Marshall for Eggnew and a 3rd rounder?

I have $11 and an 80lb bulldog. Where do I send the dog**** to. 11, that is your number right?

 

So if the receiver is the best player on the team and the qb keeps fu##king up, the wr should just sit back and say nothing? Its called being competitive and being a leader. Cutler whines and yells at receives all the time. Im sure he nor any other qb take it personal nor does it bother them. Its the nature of the game

 

Wow now you are really reaching.
The fact that you mentioned Marino in this debate reeks of desperation, honestly.

 

Jesus christ, if you think that's solid production then you clearly believe Hartline is 2 tds away from being in Marshall's category.

The stupid part of all this, is that you are only arguing this way because you think its an indictment of Ireland. This is beyond ******ed. 3tds and 1000 yrds is all world, but 1td and 1000 yrds indicates a deficiency? Seriously, you Ireland hate is beyond rational levels.

 

You said Marshall was a bum cause he *****ed/yelled at Cutler. I pointed out that Marino *****ed/yelled at receivers all the time. So, again I ask. Does that make Marino a bum? Im sure you'll deflect again instead of explaining why its different.

 

It doesn't need to be taken personal. The point is that the QBs decision making can be adversely affected when a WR is berating him. You don't want your QB forcing passes to a WR, simply because he doesn't to get berated after the play.

 

In a universe where that costs 10 million dollars.

Also probably not on the canton thing. It is hard for wide receivers to make it to the hall of fame. He will probably need to be on a superbowl team or have at least one amazing season.

 

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2012/03/agent_for_brandon_marshall_tal.html

His agent doesn't specifically say it, but it's pretty clear. It wouldn't be the first time he demanded a trade, he's said he wanted to be re-united with Jay Cutler and you think it's coincidental it worked out that way?

It's not really all that crazy that Marshall should be cut. It would be a cap hit, but he's a ****ing crazy person. If he wanted to force his way out, I don't have a lot of doubts he would.

 

Not true. I thought Marshall was a bum long before he yelled at Cutler.
As for your ridiculously off beat tangent on Marino, everyone knows a QB is supposed to be in charge of the offense. I don't see many WR's given that role in this league, as in none. You?

 

I've said before that I "think" it was more Philbins directive. Its an indictment on Ireland for laying down and letting it happen I suppose.

Again, 1,000 yards sucks??? How irrational can you be.

Note, I am not here saying Hartline sucks.

 

Yes a 1000 yrds with a small TD output sucks. Hartline is probably going to have a 1000yrds and low TD output and that is so bad everyone's screaming our #1 priority is WR. Hell Bess has a shot at 1000yrds too.

 

If a qb is that mentally fragile and can be forced to make bad decisions cause his wr tells him to, then he shouldn't be starting in the NFL.

 

In a case where the wr is the best player on the team and the qb sucks, like the dolphins last year, im not agsinst it. Someone has to be the alpha male. Henne certainly was not it last year, and Marshall knew it. You put Marshall on a team with Marino or a farve, and he wouldn't act that wsy with them. they'd be in charge.

 

So you would have wanted Marshall to be in charge of our offense this season while we are developing and grooming a rookie QB?
That would be a disaster.

 

That would be a first for me to see. Where are these facts ?

 

No dingdong, I've seen you insinuate to quite a lot of people that they do not comprehend (calling them stupid) things but you do. I'm also not your sport but feel free to call me what you wish.

Seriously man, you need to lay off that koolaid! Marshall a #2..... lmfao!!

 

http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...-3rd-rounder&p=1932510&viewfull=1#post1932510

 

Way to twist what I wrote. Of course I wouldn't have Wanted Marshall in charge of the offense. I'm talking about on the field. If he was on the team this year, I would expect him to be the offensive leader and to confront Tannehill if he was making mistakes. Its called being a leader. And if it hurt Tannehills feelings, then he needs to retire right now. Tannehill is not a little kid, he is a grown man and I'm sure being a starting NFL qb means he has a thick skin. Why do all of you think that qb's are some fragile little things that are easily hurt. Was Marino fragile? Elway, Farve, Manning..... They give it out just as good as they take it

 

Marshall isn't a leader. He is a crybaby.
There is no way in hell I would want him involved in Tannehill's learning process.
It's not about a QB getting his feelings hurt. It's more about Marshall stunting his growth.
There are WR's in this league I could count on to on to be a leader.
Brandon isn't one of them.

 

He had #2 WR production here. I don't care you don't like it. He did not produce here. But fine you think high yards and low TDs are great, good news, we have two receivers tlike that right now. Super Bowl here we come, we just had to follow the Ozzy plan. Awesome. Kudos to your genius.

 

He had a garbage qb throwing to him....

 

You think Ireland wanted to get rid of Marshall?, I believe that was Philbins decision, along with Vontae.

 

And? Steve Johnson of the Buffalo Bills had 7 TDs and over a 1000 yrds that year. So did Nate Washington of Tennessee. Larry Fitzgerald got 1400 yrds and 8 TDs with Kolb & Skelton.

 

L. Fitzgerald has 650 yrds receiving this year. and has had 5 receptions in the last 4 games.

 

Cool story bro.

I'm talking about the year in question with Marshall, which was 2011. I guess you missed it when I said:

 

Check mark to that "Amazing season".

His career trajectory so far makes him a LOCK for the HOF. he needs 5 more years at his average production.

 

Yeah, and this I don't think can be emphasized enough:
http://m.nfl.com/news/09000d5d828fec5f/

Philbin does not want to dedicate his offense to one player, and Brandon Marshall isn't going to want to be a guy who shares an offense. He was *****ing about targets with Miami throwing to him 130+ times a year, now the Bears have basically reintroduced the "Randy Ratio" and it seems to be working just as well as of late.

 

Not for a wide receiver.

What amazing season? He doesn't have a season records and his current season is being outshown by Calvin Johnson.

 

For a crazy person, he sure asked for a trade out of here in a very clandestine manner.

I saw Marshall ask for a trade out of Denver. he was LOUD as ****. SO I will take his "non-loudness" to mean that he didn't ask.

 

Yeah those 12 more yards thought 13 games are huge! Now the 3 more TD would be nice, but when you consider of those 6 TDs he score only 2 came in wins then they were pretty much meaningless. Now with all that said I don't consider Brian in the same class as Marshall,but I still would have made that trade. I would have made a better attempt to add a more talented WR then what we did.

 

120 catches and over 1,600 yards is not "amazing"?

Well..OKAY!

 

120 isn't a record for catches, 1600 isn't a record for yards. Neither are close

Plus his season is less amazing since it is less amazing than Calvin Johnson who is going for the yardage record and is the pinnacle ALL cornerbacks are judging their ability on.

It is a really good season, however not amazing.

 

different circumstances as I recall in Denver vs Miami changing its scheme.

 

I guess we disagree on the degree of "amazingess"

 

Stop! You're killing me.....

 

Yes I think that too. Irish could have stood his ground on some of these moves tho. He is GM after all.

 

Man that's a tough one, it seems to me a lot of folks in this thread are taking for granted that this is Ireland's fault, if we're trying to evaluate him correctly then lets be fair, he aquired both Marshall and VD right, why would he want to get rid of them.

And how can you tell the first year head coach he has to deal with players he doesn't want?

 

He was tied for 33rd in the league that year with a few others in TD production. That makes his production right around #2 Wr levels unless you think there are more than 32 teams and they each have more than one #1 WR. Even if so, its clearly towards the bottom of #1 WRs that year.

But, hey it'd be nice if you actually brought a reasoned argument, with a fact or anything resembling evidence, instead of the crap you've been posting. You'd think it would easy for a Camp Reporter.

 

Making Marshall "the guy" certainly didn't work in Miami. The following are PPG in the Sparano era without (2008 & 2009) and with (2010 & 2011) Marshall:

2008: 21[SUP]st[/SUP] at 21.6 (Ted Ginn Jr., Greg Camarillo, Davone Bess)
2009: 15[SUP]th[/SUP] at 22.5 (Davone Bess, Greg Camarillo, Ted Ginn Jr., Brian Hartline)
2010: 30[SUP]th[/SUP] at 17.1 (Miami played 2 games without Marshall and averaged 21.5 ppg … in 14 games with Marshall playing Miami averaged 16.4 ppg)
2011: 20[SUP]th[/SUP] at 20.6

And then there is everybody’s favorite whipping boy Chad Henne:

Chad Henne record as Dolphin starter: 13-18 (one win credited Pennington as starter...Titans game, but should be credited to Henne and one loss credited to Henne as starter but should be credited to Moore...Chargers game)
Chad Henne record as Dolphin starter without Marshall: 8-7 (PPG…24.0)
Chad Henne record as Dolphin starter with Marshall: 5-11 (PPG...17.4)
Looks to me like Marshall did a lot more damage to Henne's career than Henne did to Marshall's. When Miami's offense sputtered last year (euphemism for SUCKED) getting off to an 0-7 start is when Marshall was repeatedly targeted and couldn't hold on to a pass in the end zone or run a fade worth a crap. When Miami finally started scoring was in the KC game when they started mixing it up and throwing to Fasano.

Coach Philbin gets it is about spreading the ball around based on matchups and not trying to keep one diva WR or mentally ill in Marshall's case happy. Chicago will find out just like Denver and Miami did that when the honeymoon is over and his BPD resurfaces they probably will jump at the chance to receive two 4th rounders to get him off their roster.

 

I always have reasonable discussions with people. You however, are a different story.

Once again, TD production does not make a Wr a number 1 or 2 or 3 but if that's your gig, by all means, keep trying.


Number 2 Wr...........lmfao!