Schefter: Tannehill may not be the answer for Dolphins

Oh you are absolutely right. We know where the axe will come down.

 

And when did he watch the 2010 tape ? You can watch it the day before the 2012 draft the last time I checked.

 

You've been given articles and quotes illustrating Ireland wanted Tannehill prior to this year. You say that isn't proof.

Then you turn around and make up **** without proof and declare it to be truth.

How about you prove it?

 

that would be our luck, or I mean lack of Luck. I just wish we could have sucked enough for Luck.

Man that don't sound right

 

ahem (Dan Marino)

 

If I could fist pump you a zillion times I would....

 

Last year when Sparano was fired, it was stated by many individuals on this forum that he was the reason the Dolphins were a sub 500 team. It was also stated that there was plenty of talent on this team and that a new coach was needed to bring this talent out.

Well we now have seen this talent perform under a new coaching staff and instead of improving, this team has gone backwards. Through 13 games in 2011, the Dolphins offense averaged 19.6 points a game. The 2012 offense, through the same number of games have average 18.46 points per game.

The defense in 2011, gave up 18.9 points per games over the first 13 games of that season. This includes the fact that the 2011 team lost their first seven games. So far through 13 games this season, the defense has given up an average of 21.23 points per game.

So while Sparano got all the blame for the play of the Dolphins last year and in his previous years as the teams HC, Philbin and his staff appear to be even worse. The offense is scoring less and the defense is allowing more points per game.

I think this merely proves that it is the overall lack of talent on the roster and not the coaching staff which has been the real problem this season and also when Sparano was the head coach.

It is time the Dolphins hire a GM who can actually provide quality talent to the coaching staff. Ireland is not the right man for the job and statistics prove it.

 

As far as I know every piece of evidence that Ireland liked Tannehill prior to the arrival of Philbin, came from Ireland himself. And he's a known liar.

I give him credit for drafting Tannehill regardless, though.

 

I agree with you but I think you may have been missing my point. My point was that there are stages of desperation when it comes to fan optimism about a poor-performing quarterback. The first stage is when he's performing poor as a rookie. At that stage the desperately optimistic take refuge in the plethora of quarterbacks (Peyton Manning, e.g.) who didn't exactly play safe football as rookies but still ended up good. The next stage is when he's still not performing well as a second year man. At that point the list of examples to take refuge in dwindles considerably. The next stage is when he's a third year man and still not doing well. At that point you're essentially stuck with Drew Brees and Eli Manning as your only refuge. And finally, if he's not performing even as a fourth year man, Eli Manning is your only refuge.

I was just saying I really don't look forward to be using Eli Manning as the reason to be optimistic about Tannehill. It implies we could be in for one very long, very bumpy ride.

 

So does Jim Plunkett. Teams win superbowls, not just quarterbacks. IMO, Eli is not elite. There are more than 5 quarterbacks in the league now I would rather have on my team than Eli Manning.

 

Which doesn't mean its not true. There's also nothing to support that fact that it isn't true, other than he's lied before. Everyone has lied before, I guess nothing is true.

 

Vontae was traded in August. We didn't have two 2nd round picks available to us during the supplemental draft.

 

What makes you think Philbin isnt as much of the problem as Ireland this year? Sporano has taken the Jets offense backwards there too. Philbin is responsible for getting rid of players like Vonte and Marshall. He is the one benching starters in the middle of games. He is the one not finding ways to create mismatches on the field. He is the one who hasnt been able to coach Egnew up enough to take the field. Philbin has plenty to answer for that has nothing to do with Ireland.

 

Some players cant be "coached up" - they're just not good at the next level. Egnew could very well be one of those. I'm not saying that all the personnel decisions out there have been great, but Egnew being inactive every game day may not be a fault of the staff.

 

at this point JW, I don't think a very good argument could be made against what you have thought for a while..you have the leverage..I think his career for the dolphins has been put in a must win situation type game, and when it gets to that point, you know there has to be some concerns addressed, even if its from a public perception standpoint.

The last thing I get hung up on, is what was the thought process going into the year, was there a concerted calculated effort to get this team under the cap and with extra picks, or was it that when Philbin came on he said lets get rid of these dudes, see what we have and put ourselves in good position for next year?

 

Maybe he is a problem too. So I think the best thing for the organization is for Ross to hire a new GM and let the new GM evaluate Philbin and his coaching staff. What the Dolphins need the most right now is someone who can come in and actually draft quality talent. Ireland has done a piss poor job of that in his five years with the organization.

If the new GM doesn't think Philbin is the right coach for the team and he wants to bring in his own coach, I have no problem with that. I wanted Fisher to be the HC in the first place. Right now though, the main problem with the team is a lack of overall talent on the roster. I don't think even Don Shula in his prime could do much with this roster. Of course Shula would have already gone to the owner and told him to get rid of Ireland a long time ago.

 

I think the biggest concern is that Ireland really didn't have a real thought out plan going into the season. He traded away the only top quality receiver on the team and failed to provide his rookie QB with another quality receiver.

I know a lot of people on here think I wanted Ireland to fail this year. That is simply not true. I would have loved it if the Dolphins and Ireland had proved me completely wrong and they had made the playoffs.
I have just felt for a few years that this team was severely lacking when it came to having quality talent on the roster. The fact that the team has regressed on both offense and defense this season merely confirms that this team is headed in the wrong direction with Ireland selecting the players for this roster.

I am not sure Philbin is the answer at the HC position either, but he just doesn't have enough talent on the roster at this time to fairly judge him. A new GM might decide that Philbin isn't the answer at the HC position, but that is the chance the organization has to be willing to take if it wants to hire a GM who can build this team into a winner again.

 

Bottom line on RT at this point, I've seen him make some nice passes, i love the arm, but I'm waiting to see true playmaking ability..The quickness within the pocket is not there, The flexibility to change platforms and angles is not, and the quickness/instincts to escape it isn't either..I'm hoping thats because he's raw and inexperienced.

 

I questioned drafting him in the first round. I wasn't in favor of it, but until he gets some quality play makers around him, I think we are forced to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. If he is still playing at this same level at the end of next year, I think the new GM will be forced to use the Dolphins first round draft pick in 2014 on another QB.

I certainly hope his play improves over the last three games this season and throughout the 2013 season.

 

I love the point being made by Mayock that playing with a depleted offense may help him moving forward, he's learning to play the game with minimal weapons..

 

Is this relevant when the Dolphins didn't even submit a pick?

 

That dosnt seem like a good point to me. What skill is having limited weapons going to develope, how to throw the ball away to avoid coverage sacks?

 

...........really?

 

Uhh, yeah there is. Gil Brandt flat out said so.

 

Last time I looked, Schefter was an information guy. He takes information and gets it out there. When did he become an expert in player evaluation? That is like me saying I am a legal expert because one of my best friends is a lawyer and we hang out a lot.

 

He was right. He beat them both out of the league.

 

All these guys, including Schefter, have to express their opinion in order to remain relevant on TV or in their blogs. If they really knew as much as they think they do, they would be running a football team as the GM, not just reporting on TV or conducting mock drafts. I don't think their views are any more valid than many of the individuals who express their opinions on this or any other football forum.

Schefter says the problem is the players around Tannehill are too slow. Mayock questions if Tannehill is the answer at the QB position for the Dolphins. Before the draft last year, Skip Bayless said Tannehill would be a complete bust in the NFL. Others on TV have said he has the skill set to be a very good QB in the NFL. Just like most of us, they have their own opinion and only time will tell who will be right and who will be wrong in regards to Tannehill.

 

In defense of everyone, Pat White had a complete mental breakdown. He couldn't even hang in baseball.

 

I'm sorry if he had a legitimate mental problem, but the fact is that he was never NFL material to begin with. Like Tebow, he was an excellent college QB who wasn't capable of being a legitimate NFL QB. That is just the fact, mental problem or no mental problem.

 

right now, giving a rats *** about attendence is short sighted as hell. so is, putting in an average QB to win 2 more games a season and putting off the inevitable of training the rookie you spent a 1st rounder on. If you're going to do something, commit and do the fricken thing right, don't *****foot it worry about fans feelings. If you build an offense around Tannehill, the fans will come back.

 

Tannehill is a bust
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