We spend so much time debating whether Ireland should go, I want to focus on something that has to be considered: who would replace him? It's easy to fantasize about candidates, but would THEY want to be in Miami? Personally, I love the Giants way of doing things and would love to entertain Marc Ross (Head of College Scouting for the Giants) as an option. It's safe to say our reputation is not what it was ten years ago, but I still think Miami is an attractive situation for a new GM. Here's why: 1) Ryan Tannehill (a very promising new QB in place) 2) Joe Philbin (respected coach... could be a negative if a candidate doesn't like Philbin as the choice, but I think he's acquitted himself well) 3) Plenty of cap space 4) 5 draft picks in the first three rounds. (In fact, the more we lose, the higher most of those picks get) 5) No state income tax 6) The Weather Do you think Miami is an attractive opportunity for the better GM candidates?
I believe Miami is definitely attractive. I believe we have a young new QB that a GM would be excited to build around. I believe we have enough cap room to be very creative. We have a young enough foundation....that our window is fairly open. And...dont discount the lack of state income tax. We also have an owner who isnt prohibitive, like a Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones.
I am of course biased... but I don't see why we wouldn't be. Cap wise the new GM would have a ton of flexibility to mold the roster to his liking. Draft wise, we are loaded with picks for him to play with. And we already have the investment in a great QB prospect out if the way, allowing him to focus on other areas. Plus, the other standard Florida perks. Our bad reputation mainly revolves around Ireland/Parcells... which obviously would be gone with a new GM. In comparison to other GM opportunities... I'd have to believe we stack up very favorably.
I guess the other opportunity that comes to mind is San Diego. I'm not sure what their cap and draft situation are. Also, I'd think a new GM would be more interested in coming in before decisions are made on re-signing free agents and extending guys.
I hate to sound homer-ish but yeah I think Miami would be an attractive place to set up shop. Bill Parcells once found it so, and he was a pretty hot commodity. The biggest drawback is really Ross' reputation.
Well, those decisions wouldn't have to be made until March or so, so I'd think we'd have GM in place well before then. I'm sure there will be other opportunities as well (Browns, Chiefs, Cards, Eagles, etc). But ya, SD will prob be the biggest competition.
Other than being relatively new to the business and still learning the ropes some, what is Ross' reputation IYO?
The only reason Parcells came to Miami is because Huizenga basically would do whatever Parcells told him. The only thing that matters to potential GM's is ownership IMO. The ideal situation is one where the owner basically gives you a blank check and says do what you want. Beyond that, you're looking for as much control as possible.
From what I gather I don't think football guys tend to like Miami's egalitarian structure where nobody is really in charge, the coaches and front office are just expected to agree on everything with Steve Ross breaking the tie. There's also the snag with going out to interview Jim Harbaugh while Tony twisted in the wind, then giving Tony an extension about 9 or 10 months before turning around and firing him again. There have also been whispers, pretty strong ones at times, that there have been some personnel decisions that were essentially made by Ross (e.g. squashing the Kyle Orton trade, and a very strong rumor among agents that Ross/Ireland dictated the OchoCinco signing to Philbin). I think around the league nobody buys that Joe Philbin and not Steve Ross made the Hard Knocks decision. Most of the rest of the league want nothing to do with Hard Knocks. Personally I think Ross made it clear Hard Knocks WILL be done at some point, just not necessarily this year, and Philbin decided well if anything I'd rather do it now than some point in the future when we're really going to make a run. Put all that together with Orange Carpet type stuff, and his being a new owner...I think that about sums up why some would view him as a drawback. Not everyone. Some football people really like Steve Ross.
No. If I don't produce right away the fans will buy banners calling for my job. 60% of those fans will likely not even be at the games. If I go be a GM somewhere else, I'll be a millionaire and can afford to just buy a plane ticket to visit South Beach if thats what I'm into. Not to mention....if I come in as GM my QB and HC are already picked for me. I'm already hitched to a wagon that has a bad wheel and am expected to produce despite it. No thanks. I'm going to ride this Director of College Scouting thing out for a lil while longer.
I don't think Ross' reputation is really an issue, as his reputation doesn't hold up to examination of the facts. Certainly people who meet him seem to like him, Parcells aside. Based on the premise that people who want to be GMs aren't going to turn down interview offers, the Ross "problem" melts away after a meeting, IMO. As for Miami's attractiveness, $50 million in cap space and six draft picks in the top 100 are more than enough to entice any candidate. Even if they think this is a bad team and a bad job, the cap space and draft picks offer one hell of a "build a roster from scratch" card.
You all know that I am one of the least homer-ish dudes on this board but yes I think this is an enticing job, a new GM will have all the off-season resources at their disposal to accelerate this rebuilding process with the cap space and the 5 or 6 choices in the first 100 or so picks. now the roster isn't good, but I don't think it's so bad that these executives think building a winner here is too arduous of a task. The more I think about it, the guy that makes the most sense is John Dorsey, he's got plenty of experience (22 years in player personnel, 15+ as a director of college scouting), he's familiar with Philbin, they've worked together successfully for almost a decade, and you know they share the same philosophy on grading, scouting, and evaluating players for their proven system. They could form a strong partnership. What makes this an even better fit is the fact that Dorsey is also close with Mike Sherman, they worked together for a total of 9 years, they even left the packers together in 99 to join Holmgren in Seattle, then both returned to GB when Sherman replaced Ray Rhodes as head coach. I think of all the potential candidates out there, Dorsey is as close to a perfect hire as we can get.
Agree, and actually, I kind of looked at Dorsey when thinking about who would be a great fit here, but Philbin has avoided raiding the Packers staff and I just don't see him taking Dorsey from them. Then again, after a year of losing, and if Ireland gets fired, Ross may ask Philbin if he has input. I'd expect Dorsey's name to at least come up. As well as Ball's. My hope is still for the slightly younger turk, Marc ross with the Giants.
Marc Ross I mean, it's not stunning, but not a bad body of work. He has interviewed for GM spots before, and wants to make the jump. Come to Miami and be happy here.
lol. Yeah, but the packers org knows Dorsey would go for Joe, and that joe could kibosh it if he wanted.
I'm sure it wouldn't be to hard to find someone it's more a question of who would be chosen and how long until the fanbase turns on them.
I dont think Ireland is going anywhere, new Gm means new coaching staff.I just cant imagine a new GM not wanting to hire his own coaches. If RT turns out to be a bust everybody will be gone in another 2 years.
