Schefter: Tannehill may not be the answer for Dolphins

You mean besides the fact that Jeff Ireland acquired said QB?

 

Nail, meet head.

Now hit.

 

Don't get me wrong. I agree with Rosenberg that Luck and RGIII have more talented WRs. I just don't buy the comments painting these WRs to be elite talents that are making these rookie QBs look better than they are.

 

We've lost how many close games this yr?

Rook Qb has a lot to do with it, if MMoore had started for example we win those 2 OT games earlier this yr at the very least, probably the Bills game as well.

Season takes on a very different shape.

 

a playoff hunt that would have resulted in an early exit with Moore at QB. ...and then we have to wait another year to get Tannehill the experience he needs.

 

Using a pick as high as they did on Richardson is my biggest beef. A team with serious problems on offense should focus on fixing the passing game before addressing the running game. Richardson is good, but is he that much better than the multitude of successful late round or undrafted RBs? Against 2 terrible run Ds as of late he's looked more like a 3 yard and cloud of dust guy.

 

Yup..Kaepernick as well?

 

He was handed the job TT, that was obvious from Hard Knocks, and here we are.

 

You can't say that definitively. There are so many variables involved. Tannehill could've given us a better shot just based on the fact that those teams had never faced him before.

 

At this rate there will be few fans left to attend the games.

Mid December, our season is basically over, again, enjoy!

 

That's completely wrong.

 

The Browns signed Ben Watson in 2010, who is an athletic pass catching tight end. They drafted Jordan Cameron in the high 4th round, who was a converted WR at USC turned into a TE that hardly got playing time in college yet they still took him high 4th round based on athletic skills alone. They drafted Greg Little in the 2nd round despite his extensive history of attitude issues. They drafted Travis Benjamin in the high 4th round, which most considered a reach based on the skills he showed at Miami, but they did it because of his demon speed. Then they drafted Josh Gordon with a 2nd round pick in the Supplemental Draft. They also drafted Carlton Mitchel out of USF in the 6th round which I know was purely on size/weight/speed.

I don't think there's anything old school or traditionalist about that. I'm not saying it's GOOD, I just don't agree with the characterization of old school.

As for pure quality of drafts I think you have to look at from 2010 to 2012 having picked up: Joe Haden, T.J. Ward, Phil Taylor and Jabaal Sheard, and you have to say they got themselves some good star caliber players there. But you dive further and their drafts also have depth to them. They picked up Monterio Hardesty, Greg Little, Eric Hagg, Jason Pinkston, Buster Skrine, Shawn Lauvao and Jordan Cameron. Some are or have been starters that don't necessarily play well (Lauvao, Pinkston, Little, Skrine), others role players with varying degrees of success (Hardesty, Hagg, Cameron). But then you look at this draft and they were able to pick up Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Josh Gordon, Travis Benjamin, Billy Winn and Mitchell Schwartz. All are playing genuinely well.

 

Well, that, and all the horrendous talent around him.

And Jeff Ireland gets no credit for drafting said QB if he pans out, because anybody would've made that pick.

However, if Tannehill doesn't pan out, then Ireland gets crucified.

Just a little preview of things to come.

 

An 85 passer rating isn't good enough to get into the playoffs. Target more in the 90-95 range.

Anyway, there's no actual news or interesting information in the article. Schefter is expressing his opinion, and his opinion is heavily weighted toward what Tannehill has done recently. "What have you done for me lately" analysis is easy, trivial, and meaningless, IMO.

If Tannehill works out, Ireland gets the credit. But I believe it was CK who posted several weeks ago good information that Ireland was not high on Tannehill prior to the hiring of Philbin and Sherman.

 

Awww, poor guy. Seems like he just can't catch a break.

 

I hear what you're saying but the bottom line is Trent Richardson was an elite player in this Draft regardless of position. Best RB I've seen since Adrian Peterson and Peterson was the best I ever saw. That's not too much of a sin in my eyes especially when you consider what Trent Richardson is able to do FOR the passing game.

And they had Weeden targeted. They believed in him. So it wasn't like they took Richardson first and then said, ok now what do we do about the passing game?

 

the kind of production were getting from our skillset units, if judging them as whole units, has got to be near the bottom.

 

Yup. Andy Dalton as well.

 

It's not as bad as you would think. We're low in reception total but 9th in average. Obviously 2nd lowest in TD total.

 

Ah, and if Tannehill pans out, Ireland won't get the credit for that reason. But if Tannehill flops, Ireland will be crucified because "it's written in his contract that he has the final say."

See how it works?

 

That's not what happened. Just look at their preseason stats if you don't remember their play. Hard Knocks made it obvious that they wanted Garrard to win the job, but his knees disagreed.

 

That's not true. He was high on him prior to Philbin and Sherman.

 

I have so soured on our running back and tight end units..Fasano as your only good player and hesitant running back play from Bush is no way to go thru life son..

 

people need to chill, he is a ****ing rookie with a very limited supporting cast
hell javorskie lane has more catches than our #3 wide receiver.

give him a couple years and a competent gm before we label him a bust.

 

I don't know...
about a decade or so ago we were using the QB excuse for the roster not performing.

 

According to Jeff Ireland.

According to someone that spoke with Jeff Ireland privately about Ryan Tannehill before Philbin's arrival, and then again after Philbin's arrival, Ireland was lukewarm on Tannehill at best the first conversation and then raved about him in the second conversation.

Personally I don't care, I give him credit either way.

 

As much as I hate to use it in this context...

A - bloody - Men!

Bush is better than I have expected, but he is not doing that much better than a healthy Ronnie Brown would have done.
I think they need to turn Daniel Thomas loose and allow him time to get in the flow of the game. At least he runs downhill and North & South.

 

Oh, I thought you just meant the receivers and tight end position. You're right.

 

I understand that rookie Qbs are playing great these days, but for one to struggle is not an indicator that he can't play. We knew he was raw.... We knew he was getting thrown into the fire if he started early. How dumb would it be to give up on him after this year ? You'd probably want to give him the time to develop, see what he can do with some weapons before scrapping all your plans.

 

I'm not having this debate again! lol.

 

i agree. even luck has had his struggles.
everyone knew he was raw, he is going to have growing pains.

 

NO. Only from those whose perspective is so narrow that their note pads are 1 inch wide.

 

Probably being about as dumb as thinking Shefter is a fount of football knowledge - but that has been known to happen once in a while.

 

I don't disagree. I'd still rather see a GM from a much more forward thinking organization than the Browns, if and when Ireland is canned. To me, signing the Browns GM would be too much like when we fired our terrible offensive coordinator only to take a coordinator from an equally, if not more ****ty offense.

 

after just 3 years as a GM and someone wanna held Ireland responsible for the rosters and the lack of talent?!?!?! unbelievable, really unbelievable! poor crucified scapegoat, what an unfair treatment

anyway, it is clear that the problems we have this year-- poor passing offense+inconsistent running game+mediocre at best OL plays -- are something totally new (last couple of years - with different QBs - we were such offensive powerhouse) and our rookie QB is the true source of our bad siituation.

for one, yesterday: no turnover (no easy feat, unless you are playing the Dolphins D, of course), poise, more ready to run, a couple of really good throws (the ones that a WR who could jump would catch and convert in long gains or TD) and a couple of really dumb plays (I can't forgive tossing the ball away on a 4th down!! WTF?!?!? and I am not sure about the choice to go long on every pass in the last minutes...Idk if that's on Tannehill or on Sherman).


against the 49ers D.

not good enough, but nothing that should make us lose faith.

peace

 

I'm just not sure where you get this idea from that Tom Heckert isn't a forward thinking GM. Remember when Andy Reid used to take **** tons of criticism for how he never ran the ball and passed it like 70% of the time? Heckert was his Director of Player Personnel (2001-2002) then Vice President of Player Personnel (2003 to 2005) and then General Manager (2006 to 2009).

I can't think of an organization that was more ahead of their time as far as the passing game is concerned than the Eagles from 2001 to 2009.

 

I thought he played well against Indy. I thought he played well against Seattle. If Brian Hartline doesn't get tackled by Gholdson's index finger, his day yesterday looks solid too.

I've seen Andrew Luck miss some throws, as well as make some throws where you wonder what the heck he was thinking - which I honestly haven't seen a lot of from Tannehill. Russell Wilson is on crazy fire right now, as well as RGIII. Tannehill went on a similar streak earlier in the year, but he plays with such a lack of talent he didn't get all the big long TD's from TY Hilton, Pierre Garcon, or Golden Tate, etc.

 

No, actually, I don't, because that's a Stay-Puft Strawman right there.

Heckert is a good GM. I get what you're saying, but Heckert has acquired more talent in the last three drafts than Ireland has, IMO.