Salguero: Dolphins unlikely to fire Ireland

Wake was a result of the same process that led to Gibril Wilson. Think about that for a second.

 

I've changed investment advisors twice because of this very thing. I was right both times and came out better than had I stayed with the old advisor.

 

And the same guy that drafted TY Hilton also passed on Hilton in favor of Coby Fleener. Who would you rather have, Fleener or Hilton?

 

Actually I heard he had 17 teams asking after him. I believe half a dozen got to the stage of faxing over contract offers, but a lot of that is about mutual interest...you may like a girl but you don't ask her out if she's given you signs she isn't interested.

I give Ireland full marks for finding Wake. Hell of a find. But in typical Ireland fashion it just HAS to come with some kind of sneaky jab in the testes. In this case, it's the fact that Miami worked out both Wake and Browner, and told them they've only got room for one. *facepalm*

 

So lets just stay the same.

Those that don't try to get better usually don't get better. You have to gamble sometime.

 

How do you know Wake was an Ireland find ? Maybe it was Parcells.

 

The staying the same as they are is not a desirable outcome. But I don't believe "trying to get better" will change the outcome. I don't know what gambles the Dolphins could take either. Almost any decision they could make would entail very little risk.

 

I wonder if Wake ever wonders if he should have signed elsewhere.

He'd be a superstar on a winning team. The plays he'd make in the playoffs would have made him hugely famous.

 

Even if Wake was signed because of Parcells, that furthers my point. That would mean the same person responsible for Cameron Wake was responsible for Jeff Ireland.

 

That's one of the more hilarious things about the people that claim you can't judge Ireland on mistakes during the Parcells regime. Almost to a man each one of them has either directly or indirectly attempted to credit Ireland with Cam Wake.

 

And that receiver we got from Jax, Wifred or was it Wilford ? Guy was a total bust.

 

This argument isn't making any sense whatsoever. It's not being laid down in very clear lines. There is no relevant thesis, for which evidence is provided. It's reaching the point of nonsense as someone saying there's no use trying to do anything about climate change because there will continue to be rapes in Africa.

 

Same ****ty process that led to Ernest Wilford led to Randy Starks, Marc Colombo, and Chad Pennington.

 

I wonder also if this is one reason we've had trouble signing anyone the last 2 years. NFL players talk among themselves and I am sure signing in Miami has been discussed more than once between players.

 

And they also insist that Pat White was "so totally" a Parcells pick. It's really incredulous how far they stoop to protect Ireland.

 

No no no no....Chad Pennington fell into their laps. That was no "process". He was cut by the Jets and his agent was on the phone with Parcells within minutes.

 

Good luck.

 

And an under-recognized backdrop for that was how the big answers for the QB position combined with John Beck to lead a terrible camp with the confidence of offensive players down in the dumps. Pennington got there and within days everyone was like "Holy crap! A real quarterback!"

 

Let's be fair here: people insist that Pat White was a Parcells pick because Parcells told Peter King exactly that shortly after the 2009 draft.

Of course, after it was clear White was not just a bust but an utter failure, Parcells disavowed all knowledge and tried shifting blame to Ireland. So we know where Ireland learned that particular trick.

 

This is bad revisionist history.

Chad Pennington was not a high quality quarterback they stumbled into. Pennington career-wise was seem to be washed up, and on his last legs. He got benched for Kelly Clemens in 2007, then basically lost his roster spot to him in order to get released right before pre-season and was basically expected to float around as a back-up.

 

Nice mentor to have.

 

All the reports indicated that it was an entire organization behind that pick, everyone on board including Ireland. I haven't seen Parcells try to back away from the responsibility for the decision. Just the opposite he likes to explain how he was caught up in this thing with the wildcat and disregarded his own ideals for the position, and he's admitted it was a mistake.

So I don't see evidence of him backing away from it but I think it's a great example of Parcells stepping forward to try and claim credit for something that wasn't at all just him. He has a way of acting like he's the only one in the room who matters.

 

I agree with this fully. It wasn't a no-brainer except to teams who had desperate QB decisions. It became a no-brainer for Miami (and the Minnesota Vikings who also offered him the starting job) simply because of how bad the trio of Josh McCown, John Beck and Chad Henne ended up looking in OTAs, Mini Camp and Training Camp. It was so bad Sparano admitted that until they signed Pennington they had resigned themselves to starting Henne as a rookie to give him experience.

 

Thats exactly my point. It was mostly luck, just like Wake.

 

ireland has to go.........................that is all

 

As I've already said...if the Dolphins follow this up with a surprise loss to Chad Henne and the Jacksonville Jaguars in front of the home crowd, Armando Salguero had better re-check the source that told him that right now Steve Ross has no intention of firing Jeff Ireland.

THAT could be the loss that gets the ball rolling. That's my honest opinion. Drop 6 out of the last 7 games, lose to Chad Henne in front of the home crowd...I think that would have the potential to change some mindsets.

 

For some reason, Parcells' post-draft statements to King have fallen down the memory hole. I really can't explain why. But he did tell Peter King that he drafted Pat White. The two-years-later post-take-the-money-and-run attribution of White to the entire organization is reputation rehabilitation. By definition, if you say that you personally made a decision, and then later attribute that decision to someone other than yourself, you have backed away from your earlier statement.

Ireland did the same thing when doing his annual Miami sports talk radio calls. He said the entire organization made the decision on every player acquisition.

It's very convenient that both men blame the organization they ran together.

Agreed. This is going to be a very interesting game for a variety of reasons. Henne knows every player on this defense, having practiced against them for three years.

 

Oh yeah? And the Dolphins are unlikely to sell 20,000 season tickets Mr. Ross. Enjoy *** hole.

 

We lose a game that 99% of people expect us to lose after putting up a slightly better showing than most anticipated and that's the straw that's going to get Ireland canned?

lol It'd be funnier if it wasn't so sad.

 

I think Parcells did take personal responsibility. He got on national television and told everyone that he was wrong because he strayed from his ideals, because he was caught up in this wildcat thing.

In this particular instance I'm not sure I've really seen Parcells try to blame it on others.

Either way, Armando has heard it directly from the people involved that every single person was on board with that pick. They thought it was going to be something special and exciting.

Jaguars game going to be interesting. I'm thinking about the one-upsmanship. Last year at the final home game some people flew a banner asking Ross to fire Jeff Ireland. During the off season, fans protested in front of the headquarters asking for Ireland to be fired. At a regular season game, a fan tells Jeff Ireland directly that he should fire himself. At this rate of escalation, if the Dolphins lose to the Jaguars, then the following week for the Buffalo game which will be the last home game of the year, someone is going to kidnap Jeff Ireland and string him up in the square.

 

I would volunteer but I don't live in Florida.

 

Pay chad ochocinco $50 to streak the field with ' Fire Jeff Ireland' on a toilet paper banner taped to his bare ***.

(by the way, on that play to Bess, Chad was open)

 

What's sad is the reason this team is losing games right now. An embarrassing lack of talent attributable to the man building this roster. Don't know why I'm responding, since I'm sure I'm one of the lucky 45 people on your ignore list. That's kind of sad too. Ignore everyone on a message board that you don't agree with.

 

Well, the Patriots game was the same story too.

What happens on the field is secondary, and has been secondary for a while. I think the funny thing is about mid-season after the first loss after a streak of wins these people started pouring out of the woodwork with nary a shred of self-awareness.

 

In many ways Pennington was one of the worst things that could have happened to the Dolphins. Ireland is probably not here now if he doesn't come. The team would have been so bad in 2008 we'd probably have had the 1st pick in the draft in 2009 and not much better in 2010. By that time Ross would have blown Parcells and every one out, including Ireland.

 

And what did I say that was revisionist ? I said nothing about his quality, all I said was he fell into their laps, which is VERY TRUE.

 

You would hope so. But that also might put Philbin on the hotseat too, and that isn't what I want happening.

 

Call me a terrible fan if you will, but I'm pulling for Chad Henne for this week. It's going to take a terrible loss to shine the light on how terrible this team is in terms of talent for Ireland to get fired. If I only have to endure 3 more losses for this team to finally be rid of Ireland I'll consider it well worth it.

 

You were already there.

 

Maybe so. But you win the award for smarmiest fan. Congratulations!