Salguero: Dolphins unlikely to fire Ireland

I don't want a "competitive" team, I WANT TO WIN THE ****ING SUPER BOWL.

I'll even settle for perennial playoff team like we were under Marino.

But what we have now, its like the groundhog day from hell !

 

3 OLinemen & 1 special teams "specialist" and Ted Ginn's younger brother.

CHAMPIONSHIP !

 

I agree and what's so sad is he will **** it up badly and it will never allow Philbin the chance he deserves, so he won't only lose his job, but probably take down Philbin as well.

 

Actually I think we've hit rock bottom. The ones left are the Blind Homers Club.

 

and he will also take down Philbin at the same time.....what a guy !

 

Well we were like 1-7 when he "resigned" in 2004 IIRC.

 

Well the Ireland supporters are famous for not saying he is responsible for the time under Parcells.

So taking that into account he is 18-26.

 

Except that isn't the case.

 

How about the most important stat - which one won a playoff game ?

Oh....wait....

 

You referring the Niners recent drafts?

 

Honest question if you don't mind: How long do you think it should take an expansion team to become a championship contender?

 

No I believe what he and others (like myself) are saying is we won't financially support the team until Ireland is gone. At this point we are not as focused on his replacement as we are on Ireland.

We have seen his act, and we just don't believe he will ever deliver us a winner. We believe he needs to be replaced, PERIOD. We don't trust him to use this very lucrative (for us) off-season to upgrade the team in the direction it needs to go. He is a Parcells minion, and not brought up in the WCO family. He is, I believe kind of lost offensively when it comes to the WCO that Philbin wants to run. He's out his element and any COO in a corporation, with his record of losing would be replaced. I'm sure Ross doesn't put up with this kind of incompetence in any of his other business ventures, so why should this one be any different ?

 

What did he say that wasnt true? It is Depressing and Ross is clueless. I love all you "true" fans that feel they can tell another fan, which obviouisly arent as big of fans as you "true" super fans are, to go root for another team just because they speak their mind on how horrible this team is and has been for years. That seems to be all you Super fans answer. I guess the best thing would be for us "fake" fans, such as me, (I've only been watching them since 1978, had season tickets for several years and now pay for the Sunday ticket to watch this team) to find another team.

 

But Ireland is not average, but below average. So the odds favor his replacement to be better.

 

Wanny re-signed/was fired not because of his regular season record, but because he squandered away draft picks, signed the wrong FAs and his teams, while competitive, couldn't win in the postseason, despite having the talent to do so.... In fact, much of what is wrong with the Fins today is directly due to Wanny...

But that doesn't matter at this point, what matters is whether we start to win on a consistent basis again. The talent level overall in this squad is much better than when the Parcells regime took over. While we're missing play-makers, we're not incapable of fielding a competitive team... Ross decided to start over with Ireland and Philbin...one year isn't going to make or break either at this point...they'll be here next season because Ross has decided so...get over it...

 

Ok, so don't switch teams...stick with the fins, but bashing everything Ireland does isn't going to make this team any better... I don't want anyone to switch teams, neither do most of us on here, but geez, while we can't all agree on every move he may make, some of the moves have been good... Ross has a good point about continuity...since Wanny left it's been one group after another in here...and yes, you have to count the time between Parcells and now as another group. Give Philbin and Ireland a chance at this before Ireland is hung in effigy every time his name is mentioned...

BTW, I like you have been here for a long time...I was here for the first TC, when all we had was the local press and the Dolphin Digest...I had season tix for 18 yrs before having to relocate with my work and leave the area....but I've been here too.

 

Well, the Panthers started in 1995, from scratch, and finished 7-9, Better than the Dolphins are gonna do this year, and last year. The Panthers went 12-4 in their second year and made it to the NFC championship game. Then they had a few down years, but went to the Super Bowl in 2003.

The Jaguars like the panthers started from scratch in 1995. The first year they were 4-12. 1996-9-7. 1997- 11-5. 1998 11-5. 1999- 14-2. Went to the AFC championship game and raped our beloved Dolphins 62-7. Then they had 3 bad seasons but in 04 they were 9-7 and in 05 they were 12-4 and went to the playoffs.

Houston has been around for 10 years and they were super bowl contenders last year and may very well win it this year. And the Dolphins have never beaten them. Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt Houston beat the Dolphins in their first year?

BTW, it only took the Dolphins three years to Reach the playoffs and 4 years to get to the Super Bowl, 3 straight times. I dont know if you know this, but in the Dolphins 6th year, they were undefeated. After the Super Bowls, they they had about 5 or 6 mediocre years,but by the eary 80's they were back to winning and back to going to Super Bowls. So to answer your question. Not long

 

No stats but many, many teams have done it in less that 3 years (Ireland here alone) and it's becomes an even bigger list with less than 5.

So now are going to have to wait another 2-3 years ? 7 years to rebuild ? If it takes that long, then the original draftee's of the drafter are already on their downside career wise, or the window for winning is extremely short.

We can do better than that.

 

I understand what you are saying. I'm sorry, but I have been giving this team/front office chance after chance for years. I am no longer going to think things are gonna get better, untill I see it. No more benefit of the doubt. How long must this go on before people stop giving them the benefit of the doubt? What has given you any indication this team is improving? I surely havent seen any. When we used to lose, i would not be able to sleep at night. I wouldnt listen to sports talk radio the whole week until probably friday before the next game. I used to get so stressed out about it. But I am so numb to them losing now, I honestly dont give the game a second thought a minute after its over. I'm sorry, until I see improvement and something that resembles a desire to win from this front office, I am going to continue to call for a change.

 

This is all out there. You can go factually verify this. You don't have to base something entirely on your desire to be able to say it, or your feelings.

 

Ah, but then we'd actually have to gain factual, objective knowledge, rather than just vent about something that may be totally off-target.

 

Your question is a non sequitur.

 

Absolutely Wannstedt was replaced in 2004 because of his record that year. He was in trouble going into that season, and Huizenga had more or less said playoff win or bust for him. At 1-7 the handwriting was on the wall.

That Wannstedt was in trouble going into that season because he had missed the playoffs for two years in a row, shows you just how far the expectations of this fan base have fallen.

 

Lol I am sure glad we went on that winninig streak last year year so we could watch the colts and redskins grab luck and rg3.Worked out great.

 

Yeah. Awesome......and Ireland got to keep his job too.


This offseason - with all the cap space and draft picks - is going to make or break this franchise for the next 3 years. At least.
Do you all want Jeff Ireland in charge of that? Really?
Think about it.

 

Nope, its nuts that he's been able to convince the ownership that he has had no role in the mess that Parcells created and the mediocrity we are mired in now. Amazing really that someone with no history of success in building a team is somehow able to just stay on through years and years of non contention. And we are going to give him our draft and a ton of cap space? If he screws it up we are going to be set back so far and we will be wasting a quality young Qbs developmental years. He simply has to go.

 

He's convinced half the board of this too.

 

Neither Parcells not Ireland made a mess. It's arguable they haven't done a great job, but holy mother of ***** should you not pretend they "made" a mess if you were a fan prior to their arrival

 

So its only a mess if we lose 15 games instead of 10? Parcells wasn't brought here to get us to be a 6-7 win team in 3-5 years, its been long enough to judge Parcells and Ireland on their own merits and not with what happened before they came here.

 

It is unbelievable to me how many on this board are satisfied with 6-9 wins and no playoffs.
It's baffling.

 

It is still an undesirable result. Nothing at all I said contradicts that.

The problem with the idea that they "made" it a mess should be self-evident.

This was awful and reductive to the point of being asinine the first thousand times people have posted it, now it's gratingly unoriginal as well.

 

Right, we're all here spending time posting messages about this team we're following so closely, yet we're satisfied with losing.

There has to be a more accurate and sophisticated explanation for why some of us aren't so down on Jeff Ireland. Come on, give it a little more effort than that.

 

Do you mean sophisticated reasoning involving Jeff Ireland’s hands were tied for the 1st 2 years of his tenure? Bill Parcells did not bring Ireland with him if he didn’t believe he was a great evaluator of talent.



That notion simply hasn’t panned out.

 

So do you believe there's no difference between scouting for talent for someone else's blueprint around a Dan Henning offense and his own blueprint around a Philbin designed offense?

 

Love of an underdog?

 

I don't buy that line of reasoning either, because it's frankly unnecessary to put the personnel moves in a good enough light to make Ireland worth retaining.

 

Well, those are certainly more sophisticated than something that's controverted entirely by our mere existence on the board!

 

You never buy any line of reasoning that doesn't agree with yours. As the GM of the Miami Dolphins, Ireland has retained 54% of his draft picks, amassed a record 36-40 and hasn't won a playoff game.

On the flip side Dimitroff stepped in at the same time and has retained 79% of his draft picks, amassed a 54-22 record and hasn't won a playoff game.

Well, I guess we can all take solace that neither has won a playoff game.

 

Retention is pretty much totally irrelevant. You're telling me Peria Jerry is a feather in Dimitroff's cap while Kendall Langford is a black mark against Ireland? When in reality Jerry is way more like Phillip Merling in terms of quality?''

Look at the players. Judge how good they are in their individual context. It's not hard.

 

Well, it can't be his team's record.